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Mike Barrio

Best Tippet 2014
« on: 06/02/2015 at 16:52 »
Tippet and leader material is pretty personal stuff, we all have our favourites and have confidence in them :cool:

Which products served you well last season?

Mike Barrio

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #1 on: 06/02/2015 at 18:16 »
I've been using Orvis Super Strong tapered leaders and tipping this off with some of the Troutcast that I still had in my jacket pockets  :cool:

Iain Cameron

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #2 on: 06/02/2015 at 19:15 »
dead simple, cheap, reliable, robust.


Leeda tapered leaders; 15ft, cut down to ~12ft.
Maxima Ultragreen 3lb tippet on rivers. (4lb drennan sub on lochs when pulling)
Occasional Riverge Grand Max as tippet, but mostly ultragreen (Dryflee's influence).


Still have some Barrio Troutcast too. In my office; I practice knots when on the phone or in video calls :-)






Colin Sunley

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #3 on: 06/02/2015 at 19:35 »
Just bought ultra green from on reading a post on here. Going to give it ago this year, any tips on tapered leaders do you blend to line or perfection loop the end ?

Jeff Donovan

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #4 on: 06/02/2015 at 23:15 »
A variety of Sightfree G3 fluorocarbon from 12lb b/s down to 4lb b/s

Iain Cameron

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #5 on: 07/02/2015 at 07:03 »
...any tips on tapered leaders ... perfection loop the end ?

perfection loop at butt end of taper; little Riverge leader ring at the business end, to which I tie tippet.

I lost a really good fish on Orvis Super Strong, possibly just rubbed a rock at my feet, lost faith with it.  Was persuaded to try it again. Did so. Found I could snap it in my hand with no effort 4x, 5x, 6x. Refund from Orvis. It's just not a make of tippet I think I'll have faith in

cheers
iain

Hamish Young

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #6 on: 07/02/2015 at 08:28 »
For trout I use Riverge Grand Max - not found anything better since Euan and I stumbled across it courtesy of another angler on a trip to Caithness some years ago.
Salmon - some Orvis and some Riverge.

H :cool:

Sandy Nelson

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #7 on: 07/02/2015 at 10:39 »
I fished the whole season with Orvis super strong 15ft 4x tapered leaders and no tippet. I used a straight superglue connection to the flyline.

When the leaders dropped to about 10ft i snipped it off and replaced it with a new one, i used 4 leaders all season on 2 different flylines so probably lost 2" of flyline with each change, still got a couple of seasons left in the flyline. :z16

I avioded knots like the plague last year after getting snapped a few times in 2013, so i tried doing without adding tippet, i didn't fish any droppers for the same reason.

2014 i got broken once and it was at the fly by a rather big fish, the other fish that came off due to tackle failure bent the B100 hook so i have a lot of faith in the Super Strong Tapers :z16
I also upped the breaking strain to 4x and found no difference with flies down to a size 16, i set up a line with a 5x one for smaller flies, but it never got used, so maybe i didn't fish enough :z12

Sandy

Euan Innes

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #8 on: 07/02/2015 at 16:41 »
Superstrong leaders for me too, but ending in a ring (Riverge I think) and then tippets / droppers of Drennan sub surface green, in 3, 4 or 5lb depending on the type of fishing. The leaders went on with superglue straight to the line.
This year I am going back to loops (Roman Moser ones)and varying the length of leader depending on whether I am on a river or a loch. The SLX likes to have something on the end to kick over so lochs would be a shorter steeper taper than rivers. The loop will also let me use sinking tips on my wee #4.
This could just be the product of too much long haul and alcohol but lets see what happens.  :z4

 :z1

Marc Fauvet

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #9 on: 07/02/2015 at 16:51 »
boiled Teklon Gold for standard trout-type flies and Stroft for streamers.

Euan Innes

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #10 on: 07/02/2015 at 17:42 »
Boiled?
 :z1

Iain Cameron

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #11 on: 08/02/2015 at 07:49 »
Boiled?

indeed! i'm intrigued. And does deep-frying work too?

Hamish Young

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #12 on: 08/02/2015 at 08:16 »
I have tried this myself with 'big butt' mono leaders to soften them up, theory is that once softened the leader material will be more supple, the leader will land straight and the 'cooking' process should not harm the material (ie. weaken it).

I had mixed results to be honest.

I was put on to the idea by some French guys fishing the Don with me who were using furled leaders and tippet that had been 'cooked' in the "chaudière" (that the correct word Marc :?).
I have to say their leaders landed perfectly straight first time and every time thereafter during the day. Maybe they were doing something different to me in the boiling - I only experimented once - but I suspect that I was too cautious on the amount of time I 'cooked' the leaders for as mine curled up again pretty much immediately :z10

I know a couple of hardened dry fly nuts that still do it but can't say I'm too bothered about trying it again. That said, it has been something like 20 years since the last time so maybe I should :!

H :cool:

Marc Fauvet

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #13 on: 08/02/2015 at 10:32 »
I have tried this myself with 'big butt' mono leaders to soften them up, theory is that once softened the leader material will be more supple, the leader will land straight and the 'cooking' process should not harm the material (ie. weaken it).

 had been 'cooked' in the "chaudière" (that the correct word Marc :?).

yup, boiled !
as Hamish notes, the boiling will have a greater effect on the bigger/stiffer parts of the leader but its equally valid for tippet as it makes it all more supple- much better for drag-free drifts.
they also cast better (leader loop propagation) than stiffer mono.  :cool:
 
chaudière means boiler room as in heating a house or running a factory. a simple pan will suffice for our needs...  :z4

other advantages,
treated materials make for better/easier/tighter seated knots. ill-seated knots are the source of most knot failures.
the material stretches more = less break-offs on sharp head-shakes. an indirect effect of this is that it makes smaller diameter tippets relatively 'stronger' than their original rating. 
it slightly gets rid of the top-coat shine most monos have- less fish scary.
what this also does is make the coating hold sink paste easier and for a longer period, the biggest issue i have with high-end contemporary monos is their coating doesn't let it hold easily.
one can also lightly tint the mono to suit water colour. a favourite for stained (peat-stained or whatnot) waters is adding some coffee grinds to the water  :wink

how- boil water in a pan, bring down heat to a simmer and put in your mono for 3 minutes. pull out with a fork, end of story.  :z16
hard to think of something as easy that's so beneficial.  :z16

typically the biggest worry is that this process weakens/damages the mono. it doesn't.
boiled water is at 100° whereas many times more that (from what i hear, manufacturers don't want to give exact figures) when the mono itself was originally made.

cheers,
marc


Marc Fauvet

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #14 on: 08/02/2015 at 10:34 »
And does deep-frying work too?

of course !!! give it a go and let us know how it works for you and whatever you do, don't change the oil before frying your next meal....   :z4 :z4 :z4

:z7

Derek Roxborough

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #15 on: 08/02/2015 at 15:35 »
Snowbee Magic mono 4lb 6lb & 8lb, for my tapered casts , with 2 droppers, works for me ,easgach 1

Rob Brownfield

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #16 on: 09/02/2015 at 07:54 »
I believe the "boiling" only works on certain types of line. This used to be something we did to hook lengths  in carp fishing back in the late 70's early 80's to make the hook length super supple and lay straight without curling up off the bottom. Some lines it worked, others made the lines subject to breaking at a sudden shock like a head shake or strike.

Lines were very different back then, but the original Maxima was popular.

So, it might be worth testing with a few pulls once cooled, just in case.

Iain Cameron

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #17 on: 09/02/2015 at 08:07 »
of course !!! give it a go and let us know how it works for you and whatever you do, don't change the oil before frying your next meal.... 

The results were... disappointing. Not sure I used the right kind of batter. I'll try breadcrumbs next time.

I did remember liking the barrio troutcast mono, but not the spools it came on (i couldn't get the tag end out, the spool was too deep)

Mike Barrio

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #18 on: 19/02/2015 at 11:58 »
Ultragreen and sub surface green ......... is there any reason why you prefer an olive or green tippet over a clear one guys?

Cheers
Mike

Marc Fauvet

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #19 on: 19/02/2015 at 12:50 »
my guess is its because Drennan sub-surface mono is green...  :z4

tbh, a coloured mono could only really make sense if its lying on the river or lake bed. at other levels of the water column, it makes for a higher contrast against its background whether that be seen from the side (fish looking across the water) or from below against the sky.

cheers,
marc

Iain Cameron

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #20 on: 19/02/2015 at 13:41 »
my guess is its because Drennan sub-surface mono is green...  :z4

Yes. I buy a product that is reliable and tested. It just happens to be greenish. Green-ness isn't the reason I buy. The green is kinda a dull tinge anyway, so it's reasonably subdued.

I don't feel happy with shiny tippet, which some clear tippets are.

Mike Barrio

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #21 on: 19/02/2015 at 14:10 »
More about the shine than the colour ....... that makes sense :cool:

Cheers
Mike

Euan Innes

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #22 on: 19/02/2015 at 14:20 »
Quote
Yes. I buy a product that is reliable and tested. It just happens to be greenish. Green-ness isn't the reason I buy. The green is kinda a dull tinge anyway, so it's reasonably subdued.

I don't feel happy with shiny tippet, which some clear tippets are.

Yeah, what he said. I don't think the colour of Drennan ever crossed my mind all those years ago, I just liked the price, the knot-ability, the price, the size of the spool, the price and the predictable way that it breaks, or rather doesn't.

Now that Marc has mentioned it, the colour is pretty cool. Just ordered three spools of Ultragreen in 3, 4, and 5lb to compare and contrast with Drennan and I like it already. I used to use that when I was in the tackle trade and it was always a toss up between that and Drennan. The only slight downside of Ultragreen is the size if the spool, which means that I will probably spend money on an overpriced tippet holder....



Time will tell   :wink

 :z1

Mike Barrio

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #23 on: 19/02/2015 at 14:24 »
Interesting comments too :z16 That looks like an outrageously expensive gadget :z4

What size spool do you prefer folks?

Cheers
Mike

Marc Fauvet

Re: Best Tippet 2014
« Reply #24 on: 19/02/2015 at 16:27 »
Interesting comments too :z16 That looks like an outrageously expensive gadget :z4

What size spool do you prefer folks?

Cheers
Mike

for convenience, the little Stroft-sized spools are spot on.
for untwistiness, something about the size of a basketball should do perfectly...  :z4 :z4 :z4

 




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