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nosrac

Leaders
« on: June 28, 2008, 08:52:17 AM »
Hi Folks

Having problems finding a leader material that i like, tried fluro but dry flies keep sinking and when pulling nymphs get snapped or knot comes free :mad.

Use Drennen sub surface at moment and have never tried copolymor and do you really need to de-grease the leader when dry fly fishing?

Can anyone suggest a good allrounder but not for silly money.

Cheers
Carson

Hamish Young

Re: Leaders
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2008, 16:16:58 PM »
What strength fluro' have you been using and which knots :? All have a bearing on my answer but personally I like the Orvis super strong, Riverge Grand Max and Fulling Mill - when it comes to flurocarbon.
Hardys' copolymer is the nicest I've used.

Froghair has a good reputation but have yet to try it myself.

I always degrease my leader when fishing dries, seldom have any issues with the flies getting pulled under myself  :wink
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience ;)

Irvine Ross

Re: Leaders
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2008, 17:23:55 PM »
I have used nothing but Rio co-polymer for leader material for years now. I find it reliable, the knots hold well and if I get broken it's my fault. I always degrease the leader when fishing dries and I don't have any problems with the flies being pulled under. I gave up using flurocarbon because I could not get the smaller diameter sizes to sink. It  always stayed stuck in the surface film. Maybe I just had a poor brand but it put me right off using it every since.

cheers

Irvine

Jim Eddie

Re: Leaders
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2008, 19:15:10 PM »
I tried Froghair (the frog wissnae very happy) I hated the stuff , kept snapping at the knots.

 :z18


Jim
"Because in a world where most men seem to spend their lives doing what they hate, my fishing is at once an endless source of delight and an act of small rebellion."

clark

Re: Leaders
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2008, 17:26:30 PM »
I think u should try the airflo 3rd generation flurocarbon . I fish dries with it all the time and i never have problems with it sinking the fly or snaping at the knots :) hope this helps ! :z16


clark

stickleback

Re: Leaders
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2008, 20:55:26 PM »
The Aberdonian streak in me balks at the cost of flurocarbon  :z4  I use cheapo Drennan Sub Surface for everything and when using it with dries, degrease it with Fullers earth.  Seems to work fine.   :z18

Tam

Re: Leaders
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2008, 21:14:52 PM »
l use Airflo Sightfree 8lb for near enough everything, l bought a reel of 7lb FullingMill Co-Polymer and used it for first time today at Loch Insch, first fish and the dropper came off, immediately went back to Sightfree and no probs rest of day.
The knot l used has been same knot for 36 years, basically an overhand, passed through twice, moistened and pulled tight, should l have maybe used something different for Co-polymer

Richard Tong

Re: Leaders
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 10:58:05 AM »
Funny that Jim....I love Frog Hair and it has never let me down. A few years ago I had problems with the knot coming out on tightening but only in 5X down. Now use the Pitzen knot which is recommended by Frog Hair(see website) and it has never let me down. It is very supple and has high knot strength. I used to loathe Orvis Super Strong but someone! got me back into it and it is fine down to 5X but still not happy using it below this-I find it 'crinkles' too easily.
 
On the subject of degreasing the leader I never bother and my friend has experimented with and without degreasing and not noticed and more takes to a degreased leader. What I would say is that you get a cleaner lift off to re-cast, a quicker tightening on a fish taking and when fishing small flies your fly is not so liable to getting pulled under. I actually grease the leader when fishing boisterous water with dries to prevent the leader getting dragged under.I know lots of people who are extremely careful about degreasing but it is a personal thing. Ask yourself this....does the fish know/understand what a leader is? Maybe that is a seperate topic!

Richard
Richard

Jay Scott

Re: Leaders
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 11:09:40 AM »

I use 6lb fulling mill fluorocarbon for my buzzer fishing. 8lb Greys fluorocarbon for lures and i'm experimenting with different tippet for dries so far the fulling mill fluoro is still the best its fast sinking so it doesn't sit on top but doesn't drag the fly down either.

Jay

Steven Kidd

Re: Leaders
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 11:12:29 AM »
Airflo Sightfree for me 8lb for the fisheries and 4lb for the River Don.....never had any problems, I use a four turn water knot for droppers never had a breakage.  As far as dry flies go, the 4lb stuff sinks at a good rate and keeps a size 14 F-fly afloat......no gink

However......using the same set up as above I had continual problems with the fulling mill stuff.  One benefit of the fulling mill stuff however is that it is quite stiff and wire'y and good for preventing tangles on droppers especially loch style when it's windy......


Rob Brownfield

Re: Leaders
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2008, 11:15:42 AM »
I will only use Flurocarbon as a "straight" leader with one fly. As soon as you add any form of knot that allows a sudden pull in a different direction you start to have problems. Its just the nature of FC. It has very little "shock" loading resistence so can be almost "brittle" under stress. The more knots and angles the more risk of it breaking.

Also, the shorter the length between knots, the more likely it is the break, so a dropper of 6 inches is more likely to break than a leader of 6 feet.

I have gone back too Drennen Sub Surface.
Ok, I admit it, I quite like this salmon fishing lark....

nosrac

Re: Leaders
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 11:40:23 AM »
Hi
Thanks for all your input to my Question.  Think i will stick with what i have been using for years (Drennen Sub Surface) and will always degrease my leader when fishing dry flies.

Hope to catch up with you all at Haddo soon as me and my mate are dying too try float tubing :z4

Thanks
Carson

goosander

Re: Leaders
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 20:58:41 PM »
Use Fulling Mill 6 and 8 lbs all the time with no problems. Fishing dry i greese up to a 1 1/2ft from the fly this way i get nothing as far as i can see on the surface.
Had a strange experience with the heavier stuff last season. Usuing the 15ft. and 15lbs F. M. i kept cracking flies off [bad casting?] but when i changed to the 12lbs no problems.
My guest who is far more experienced than me [a proffesional coach] had the same bother.
We were both overhead casting as the water was to high  to get near the edge. Any help would be most welcome.

Catman

Re: Leaders
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 21:22:23 PM »
I will only use Flurocarbon as a "straight" leader with one fly. As soon as you add any form of knot that allows a sudden pull in a different direction you start to have problems. Its just the nature of FC. It has very little "shock" loading resistence so can be almost "brittle" under stress. The more knots and angles the more risk of it breaking.


I use Uncle Jack 8lb Flurocarbon & have done for several years, I fairly regularly land 2 fish at a time :z15  :z15 As Mike at Haddo can testify, & I have very rarely have a snap off.  :z16
I use a 3 turn water knot to attach my dropper & have landed fish up to 17 1/2lb on this set up.  :z15  :z16
I do degrease my leader with a Fullers Earth based mixture prior to going fishing.

Alex

Rob Brownfield

Re: Leaders
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 23:00:02 PM »
I use Uncle Jack 8lb Flurocarbon

Cant find it anywhere on the web..can't even find standard tippet material..could you point me in the right direction please..would be very interested in looking at this stuff. Thanks
Ok, I admit it, I quite like this salmon fishing lark....

 




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