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Allan Liddle

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #25 on: 08/01/2014 at 13:57 »
Lookin forward to seein them H  :z16

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #26 on: 08/01/2014 at 20:47 »
Put your sunglasses on chaps......


There are some wacky flies in there....... :z4

H :cool:

Allan Liddle

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #27 on: 08/01/2014 at 23:28 »
Sure to brighten a dull day Hamish  :z16

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #28 on: 09/01/2014 at 09:04 »
I would willingly use them.

Are you using cross cut or standard Zonker for winding?

May I suggest a slight tweak? Make a dubbing loop and place the zonker strip in it, cut off the skin, spin and wind. You get a much neater "hackle" and thinner "body". The fly also remains lighter as there is no skin to soak up water.

Use Magnum strip for big flies and squirrel or mink strip for small, 1/2 inch tubes. They move lovely in the water :)


Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #29 on: 09/01/2014 at 10:51 »
I'm using cross-cut rabbit strips Rob.
I hear you, I could try the dubbing loop 'thing' but I've never used one yet and, at the moment, bulk in the patterns is actually part of what I'm after.
I know they're going to get heavy as the skin becomes water-logged so I reckon I will end up using the dubbing loop method but mainly I'm getting to know how the material 'works' this way.
I tied one last night about 1am which is about 4" long on a plastic tube which looks the mutts nuts, even if I say so myself.
More anon.

H :cool:

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #30 on: 09/01/2014 at 11:18 »
I tied one last night about 1am which is about 4" long on a plastic tube which looks the mutts nuts, even if I say so myself.

Excellent!!

Whats the resoning behind the bulk, or is it a secret ;)

Interesting you mention the bulk as Eumer have a plastic "body" that you slip over a standard tube. This gives much more bulk and allows the rabbit to form a substantial mouthful. Not seen the bodies in the UK, but you can get the pre made flies. £7.99-£11.99 each!!


Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #31 on: 09/01/2014 at 11:19 »
And this

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #32 on: 09/01/2014 at 12:04 »
Not quite finished, but getting there.


The more I use rabbit, the more I like it :z16

H :cool:

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #33 on: 09/01/2014 at 12:22 »
Have you got Steelheads running up there? :)

Have you "swum" them yet? The movement rabbit has just cannot be matched..I love the stuff as well.

Off to Somers to buy some Racoon strips...I have a cunning plan also!!

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #34 on: 09/01/2014 at 22:53 »
As it happens.... I have 'swum' a couple of the patterns and they look bloody awesome in the water  :z12

H :cool:

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #35 on: 10/01/2014 at 07:39 »
As it happens.... I have 'swum' a couple of the patterns

Bath by any chance?

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #36 on: 10/01/2014 at 09:42 »
No, Bath is a wee bit too far down the road to test flies in the waters of the Avon.

I used Inverness Marina  :wink

H :cool:

Mike Barrio

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #37 on: 10/01/2014 at 12:18 »
No, Bath is a wee bit too far down the road to test flies in the waters of the Avon.

I used Inverness Marina  :wink

H :cool:

 :z4  :z4  :z4

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #38 on: 10/01/2014 at 12:36 »
No, Bath is a wee bit too far down the road to test flies in the waters of the Avon.

I used Inverness Marina  :wink

H :cool:

Boom boom!!!  :X1

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #39 on: 11/01/2014 at 11:11 »
Boom boom!!!  :X1
I could not resist  :z7

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #40 on: 15/01/2014 at 15:12 »
Sorry Rob I missed this:
Whats the resoning behind the bulk, or is it a secret ;)

No secret. In the past I have had a not inconsiderable amount of success with rapalas, kynochs and other wobbling lures for Salmon and 'other salmonids'  :wink
In the spring these have been in the region of 5-6" long and some even bigger.
I have it in mind to replicate the bulk of these spinning/trolling/harling lures in something I can chuck on a fly rod (stage 1).
Stage 2 is to have the bulk and with certain uses of certain materials endeavour to replicate the action (to some extent) of the afore-mentioned lures :wink
Madness :?
Quite possibly, but I'm doing it because I believe can and it amuses me to try  :z12



Want them to try out, but I'd want to tie over the plastic body and the pic suggests that's not how they're used  :z10

H :cool:

Irvine Ross

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #41 on: 15/01/2014 at 16:31 »
Sorry Rob I missed this:
No secret. In the past I have had a not inconsiderable amount of success with rapalas, kynochs and other wobbling lures for Salmon and 'other salmonids'  :wink
In the spring these have been in the region of 5-6" long and some even bigger.
I have it in mind to replicate the bulk of these spinning/trolling/harling lures in something I can chuck on a fly rod (stage 1).
Stage 2 is to have the bulk and with certain uses of certain materials endeavour to replicate the action (to some extent) of the afore-mentioned lures :wink
Madness :?
Quite possibly, but I'm doing it because I believe can and it amuses me to try  :z12

So why not tie a 6" wing on a standard tube fly? That way you would get the size and the motion without having to cast the weight and the bulk of an adult rabbit :z8
A big Runray Shadow  or a Clouser minnow type thing springs to mind.

Irvine

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #42 on: 15/01/2014 at 17:32 »
So why not tie a 6" wing on a standard tube fly? That way you would get the size and the motion without having to cast the weight and the bulk of an adult rabbit :z8
A big Runray Shadow  or a Clouser minnow type thing springs to mind.

Irvine


Fair questions Irvine.....

So do remember part of this process is to satiate the Dr Jekyll/ Mr Hyde thing that goes on when I get the fly tying kit at this time of year every year and doesn't necessarily reflect the vaguely normal fly tying process that goes on here in this small part of Inverness-shire for the rest of the season :wink

For me a 6" wing just doesn't work with the materials I want to work with for the properties they bring to the fly. Sure, I could tie a GWG on a plastic tube that's about the overall length I'm after but just not the sheer physical size (or more likely the perceived physical size) of fly I want to create once it's in the water and wet.

The rabbit has possibly been superseded by finn racoon, we'll see. For me half of the fun is in trying something out for the first time, I know the wound rabbit zonker strip based patterns will require a skagit plus a degree of bravery hitherto largely unseen in my casting to make them 'cast-able' let alone 'fish-able'.
However I have learnt one or two things whilst fixing the relatives of Hazel, Pipkin and General Woundwort to bits of brass, tungsten, aluminium, plastic and copper so I am now considering the virtues of using a method of tying with my choice(s) of material in a way I've not tried before.

No pattern or style of fly is being disregarded in this freakish progress but I see templedog methods as being more likely to produce what I'm after - the clouser is kind of fixed (doesn't pulse, or at least the ones I tie don't :!) and sunray types have the overall length but again not the 'presence' I'm after.

Could be that I'm on a kicking to nothing, but the spey plumes have got me scratching a fly tying itch good and proper :z16

H :cool:


Eddie Sinclair

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #43 on: 15/01/2014 at 20:28 »
H,
I tied a box of huge singles in combinations of pink and purple with racoon Zonker strips wound on as hackles for a mate of mine who went to Alaska. They caught fish but they sure looked weird but you are right the pulsating action in the water looked pretty cool. However when we have our first cast this spring I will be chucking out huge posh Tosh variants which are just as loud but not quite as fluffy.

Bring them with you, you never know I might get converted.

Eddie. :z18

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #44 on: 15/01/2014 at 21:07 »
Bring them with you, you never know I might get converted.

I will Eddie :! I just hope Captain Kirk doesn't dislike my fiendish creations so much he bans me from fishing  :z4 :wink

H :cool:

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #45 on: 16/01/2014 at 07:41 »
Salmon and 'other salmonids'  :wink
In the spring these have been in the region of 5-6" long and some even bigger.

My my Hamish, these are huge fish to be catching ;)

Hamish Young

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #46 on: 16/01/2014 at 07:52 »
Ha :! Good one.
Do you fly fish for Pike Rob :?  :z7

H :cool:

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #47 on: 16/01/2014 at 08:06 »
Right, sounds like your are trying to achieve what I am also trying to achieve, difference being, my flies need to be cast on a single handed rod rather than a salmon rod.

I have found there are two items out there that give me a bulky body (no, not steroids!) whilst retaining castability. The first is a kind of 1.5" straggle fritz thing that I do not know the name of just now (Yankie I think), but will get it for you. Angus Angling has it in loads of different colours. Its like the Veniard stuff, but the colours are better and it is more solid once tied in.

Once tied in and brushed back, you get a fly that is around 1.5" across that does not thin down in water. Add a bucktail collar every 3-4 turns and you have a very bulky fly around 6" long.

I tie another version of the above fly that uses EP Fibre as a wing, but it is tied in "wide" to shroud the body. This again keeps its shape in water.

Using EP brushes you get a very different look. It is not so sparkly for one, so if you want solid colour rather than flash, this is the one to go for. They do do a version with subtle sparkle, so you can ring the changes. The EP version is easy to trim with scissors two so you can taper the fly. You can also tie it onto an articulated shank, trim to shape and end up with a highly mobile fly that looks like and swims like a jointed Rapala. When using Ep I tend not to bother with a "wing", no need for it.
 

I will try and dig out some example flies.

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #48 on: 16/01/2014 at 08:07 »
Do you fly fish for Pike Rob :?  :z7

No, this year I am mostly going to be fly fishing for Marlin out of Stonehaven.

Rob Brownfield

Re: Spey plume..... experimentation
« Reply #49 on: 16/01/2014 at 08:13 »
Forgot to say...to add length, use some matching EP fibre to add a tail....if you want a dark back, use a pen...sorted.


 




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