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Steven Kidd

Angler Helicopter Rescue
« on: 28/08/2012 at 12:42 »
Let this be a reminder to everyone,

Take care and do not become complacent, our sport can sometimes be dangerous:

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Angus/article/24597/angler-sparks-helicopter-rescue-from-river-north-esk.html

Kind Regards,

Steven

Euan Innes

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #1 on: 28/08/2012 at 12:55 »
I think I saw that guy down by the mouth of the Esk and remember thinking that he better watch the rising tide / spate.
Guess he was a bit dumber than he looked... :X1

 :z1

Peter McCallum

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #2 on: 28/08/2012 at 14:57 »
 :X7 Never seen that island completely covered in 20 yrs going over the bridge. Think the guy must have been worried about getting his tea....what a clot  :mad Wonder how much that cost  :o

Alex Burnett

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #3 on: 28/08/2012 at 16:13 »
:X7 Never seen that island completely covered in 20 yrs going over the bridge. Think the guy must have been worried about getting his tea....what a clot  :mad Wonder how much that cost  :o

Kev

Think it was the Senior Coastguard Manny that said it had!!!

Coastguard sector manager Ross Greenhill said the incident had presented a number of challenges for rescuers.

''Over the time that the incident took place the river had risen by around 11cm and that is quite substantial — it's not unknown for the island to be overcome,'' he added.


Alex

Hamish Young

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #4 on: 28/08/2012 at 17:19 »
Wonder how much that cost  :o

Two fire appliances, two Coastguard Rescue Teams, Police units, an Ambulance and of course one SAR helicopter.
So around the £25K mark I should guess  :shock Difficult to put a price on it though. Also... traffic was stopped so there's probably other costs not immediately related to the rescue but would be part of the overall cost.

Ross is my peer Sector Manager based in Montrose, we had a chat about this very incident this morning.
Amusing.

In some ways.

:z3


Peter McCallum

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #5 on: 28/08/2012 at 17:20 »
Not blaming the coastguard they were doing their job, its the idiot who didn't watch for his retreat who caused the problem  :mad.

It wasn't going to be a pleasant stay but he could have sat it out, the river was back to one channel by next morning.

Saying that I suppose prevention was the order of the day.

Peter

 :z3 - Hope they bill him :)

Hamish Young

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #6 on: 29/08/2012 at 09:12 »
:z3 - Hope they bill him :)

If only..... but that would open the flood gates  :shock
It's what we pay our taxes for  :cool:

H :z3

Rob Brownfield

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #7 on: 29/08/2012 at 11:25 »
If only..... but that would open the flood gates  :shock

Don't do that..we don't need more flood rescues!!!   :roll

Mark Zhang

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #8 on: 29/08/2012 at 11:49 »
I think who ever sold the ticket to him should mention the issue.  ???Like someone told me that I should wear a glass and hat when fly fishing. Cheers.

Mark

Rob Brownfield

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #9 on: 29/08/2012 at 11:57 »
It is an interesting one regarding the amount of bods that turned up to the "rescue" and the closing of the road.

There are certainly some instances (and I am not for one moment saying this is one of them) where the response of the Emergency Services (No..not the AA!) seems extremely heavy handed and thus overly costly.

As my father has been and still is involved with Emergency Response Planning for the Government and also direct experience of the Fire Brigade and Ambulance service, I have a bit of an insite into how things are run, and these days it appears that common sense does not prevail and that every man and his dog gets called to an incident, whether required or not, as its in "the procedures".

Now, you could say, "better safe than sorry" but this attitude leaves Emergency Services stretched at times, as was seen on Monday night at the fatality down on the beach and the further two very minor accidents (bumps) on King Street that pulled police and ambulance crews from the fatality to attend.

I blame the "ambulance chasing" lawyers and the overly worried command structure that thinks it will be sued at every turn if an entire Hospital does not attend a childs nose bleed.

Rant over ;)

Iain Goolager

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #10 on: 29/08/2012 at 14:22 »
The true facts aren't at my disposal so it's hard to say if the guy was being foolhardy, poorly advised, being a true Salmon Bum, etc.
Don't tell me that we've all never taken that little bit of risk for the possibility of a fish. That said I have a healthy respect for a rising river, or in any spate condition.
Being Danish he possibly felt uncertain of local conditions, either way he couldn't be left there in what has arguably been the wettest Summer since 400AD.
As for the emergency services in attendance, well I haven't looked at the video again but I seem to recall there being the SAR chopper, an ambulance, fire engine, and a cop or two - apart from the Wimpey Litter Patrol that must be close to a full house. I don't think this is excessive due to the roll that they each would, or should I say could play, depending on how events unfolded.
£25k is a lot of money but a normal persons life must be worth much more.

I don't want to get into a general debate about specific accidents/events but I'll wager that somewhere along the line in the vast majority of cases someone has behaved irresponsibly, so should they or their surviving family be billed?

We all pay our taxes (unless you are a *I**Y and reading this on a stolen laptop) and the emergency services are doing their chosen specialised job and getting real time training to boot, the need for them its factored into us being human beings with hobbies, occupations, etc. that unfortunately being made of water and soft tissue put us in danger. I also think that as a semi civilised country we have a duty of care towards visitors/ tourists.

This is not a personal dig at any content in previous posts as I think you are all fantastic people!  :X2

Iain

P.S. How effective are those hoses dropped over the bridge? I guess if someone broke loose into the flow they would have to be conscious and strong enough to steer themselves over to the hose and hang on until???  how do you then get the person out of the water??  I'm intrigued.

Rob Brownfield

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #11 on: 29/08/2012 at 15:13 »
As for the emergency services in attendance, well I haven't looked at the video again but I seem to recall there being the SAR chopper, an ambulance, fire engine, and a cop or two - .

From Hamish... Two fire appliances, two Coastguard Rescue Teams, Police units, an Ambulance and of course one SAR helicopter.


I certainly would not suggest that the chap did not deserve to be rescued, unlike the idiots who walk up Ben Nevis with trainers and a bottle of Irn Bru.  :X2

Hamish, where would the Coastguard units have come from just out of interest??

Steven Kidd

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #12 on: 29/08/2012 at 15:14 »
If it was me, i'd have just kept casting........

Alex Burnett

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #13 on: 29/08/2012 at 16:13 »
Hamish, where would the Coastguard units have come from just out of interest??

Rob acording to the above article:

"Grampian Fire and rescue units from Laurencekirk and Stonehaven attended and were joined by Tayside Fire and Rescue from Montrose, as well as fast water rescue teams from Dundee and Perth.

Coastguard units from Montrose and Stonehaven were also at the centre of the operation".

Alex

Hamish Young

Re: Angler Helicopter Rescue
« Reply #14 on: 29/08/2012 at 16:38 »
How effective are those hoses dropped over the bridge?

If deployed correctly they are very effective 'goal keepers'.
I guess if someone broke loose into the flow they would have to be conscious and strong enough to steer themselves over to the hose and hang on until???  how do you then get the person out of the water??  I'm intrigued.

OK, the basic idea is the hose goes from one side of the river  (or water flow) to the other. As there's some 'give' in the hose system they act as a soft barrier for a casualty to caught and in a relative place of safety before being recovered.
In some cases a casualty can self recover to the edge or the hose can be 'trimmed' by lowering down one bank so the casualty can be drifted across the hose to one side of the river or another.
More likely is a rescuer on a floating line tethered by a shore team or a rescue team will then go and recover the casualty to the shore.

H :z3

 




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