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Loxiafan

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #180 on: April 08, 2012, 22:58:17 PM »
I know it is a bit of a grey area, some of the ones which have been feeding hard regain quite a lot of their condition. There can be some overlap with the very first of the fresh sea trout entering the river and the last of the kelts leaving.

Cheers min. Maybe they just decide to become Brown Trout again  !   :wink

I did record them as Sea Trout on the ADAA catch return, and tbh if confronted with fish in that condition I would again. I did read reports of very early sea trout on other east coast rivers this year but with this grey area of such well mended fish who knows what any of them are for sure.

It is all very fascinating for sure.
Lindsay

Ben_D

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #181 on: April 08, 2012, 23:02:19 PM »
Cracking fish Iain, well deserved.

Cheers

Ben

Loxiafan

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #182 on: April 09, 2012, 10:21:56 AM »
River looks like it is dropping a bit if you believe the gauge - I may brave it from 2pm ish today and see what it is like.

Thinking more about the Seat Trout kelt issue. I will take scale samples next time and send them to Jamie that way I will know for sure. Either way not a huge issue as all my fish go back alive but if no fresh fish run the system in March early April then maybe the Sea Trout season shouldn't start on 11th Feb ? Given that no Salmon at all are to be retained before 1st June then all the hooha about Salmon kelts is redundant anyway other than for recording ? Seems it would be better to make anglers aware of Sea Trout kelts/over wintererd Finnock and/or no Sea Trout should be retained before 1st June ( and not at all if I had my way !) to avoid problems. Really, we should be moving to 100% C+R for all trout (and Salmon) at all times.

Cheers,

Lindsay

Sandy Nelson

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #183 on: April 09, 2012, 10:24:13 AM »
If the scales don't come off on your hands, then you shouldn't even have to bother :wink

Sandy
John Geirach 1999 "Millions of trout have died of old age before i could catch them and there's not a damn thing i can do about that"

Loxiafan

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #184 on: April 09, 2012, 10:32:04 AM »
If the scales don't come off on your hands, then you shouldn't even have to bother :wink

Not sure I follow Sandy, but my hands weren't covered in any scales at all after handling the two ST's so were they fresh or kelts ! ?  :wink

Lindsay

Loxiafan

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #185 on: April 09, 2012, 11:07:49 AM »
Not sure I follow Sandy, but my hands weren't covered in any scales at all after handling the two ST's so were they fresh or kelts ! ?  :wink

Kelts. Of course, my fish handling technique is exemplary so none of my fish lose scales !  :wink

L

Sandy Nelson

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #186 on: April 09, 2012, 12:44:47 PM »
In my experience any fish, fresh from saltwater usually deposit scales everywhere.
The net,rod handle and skin always seem to get a few even when you don't handle them :shock.
Not sure how long they need to be in freshwater before this starts to change, i'm not the biologist.
But i would love to know :z16 Jamie :z8
To me the scales are always an obvious indication of a fresh fish , if i don't notice them then i would be less sure i'd got it right even before checking.

Sandy
John Geirach 1999 "Millions of trout have died of old age before i could catch them and there's not a damn thing i can do about that"

Geoff Gill

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #187 on: April 09, 2012, 18:52:02 PM »
Hi all,

just wanted to share the fish of a lifetime for me that i caught at upper parkhill today, guess it to be roughly 4 lb after a quick photo and safe release followed by shaky legs  :z4
Also like to thank forum member Goolager to whom i used his SBS to tie the PTN that i caught it on after attempting flytying at xmas for the first time  :z16
I would attach an image but it says file is too big and i dont know how to resize  :oops

Geoff

Geoff Gill

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2012, 19:12:46 PM »


Got it.  :z18

Geoff

Mike Barrio

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #189 on: April 09, 2012, 19:18:44 PM »
Welcome to the forum Geoff ........ What a cracking trout :z16

Best wishes
Mike
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Loxiafan

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #190 on: April 09, 2012, 19:33:24 PM »
Hi Geoff,

I saw you land it ! I was the guy opposite and up from you on the south bank patiently (stupidly) waiting for a hatch - very well played and netted expertly, very well done !

That thing has got a heid like a dog and will be even more of a beast when it gets a bit of a belly back on it !

Lindsay

Iain Cameron

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #191 on: April 09, 2012, 19:43:19 PM »
and a tail like a shovel too. nice one geoff!

Noel kelly

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #192 on: April 09, 2012, 19:45:13 PM »
That's a cracker geoff :z16

Loxiafan

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #193 on: April 09, 2012, 19:46:26 PM »
In my experience any fish, fresh from saltwater usually deposit scales everywhere...Not sure how long they need to be in freshwater before this starts to change, i'm not the biologist.

Hi Sandy,

I was joking about my exemplary handling of fish, though I do make a big effort  :wink The weight of argument from anglers more experienced than myself is that they were most likely ST kelts which I can accept - don't want to come across as a dick on this. However, there are are 'well mended' kelts and then there were these things I caught - to me they looked like any river sea trout I have caught before from late April/early May onwards. Don't know about when they stop shedding scales but I have caught what I considered 'fresh' fish and haven't noticed mass descaling so it must ease up ???

I still wonder why the  season is 11th Feb and why it is legal to retain Sea Trout during this period (unlike Salmon).

I have submitted them as 'Sea Trout' in the catch return for ADAA - is this wrong, should they be cancelled  ?

Lindsay

Sandy Nelson

Re: River Don 2012
« Reply #194 on: April 09, 2012, 19:57:12 PM »
Cracking fish Geoff :z16 Well done :z18


I have submitted them as 'Sea Trout' in the catch return for ADAA - is this wrong, should they be cancelled  ?


Can't see why its "Wrong" they could well be fresh fish and all we are talking about are a few records which are fairly subjective anyway, given all the fish are returned.

Like you, I am surprised the rules don't call for the same return rules as for Salmon, perhaps this is something the committees should consider over the season.

I'd like to know more about the scales thing, almost all the sea-trout i've caught have been either in or very close to the sea, so if they get tighter over a period of time in freshwater, then it would be interesting to know how this works.

Sandy
John Geirach 1999 "Millions of trout have died of old age before i could catch them and there's not a damn thing i can do about that"

 




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