[Euan Innes]

I have a hankering for a new rod for next season. The Scott is getting on a bit and doesn't do all that I want these days, but it will make a great spare / intermediate line back up rod.

So here's the question. If you had one rod to fish from a tube AND and drifting boat what length would it be?

I was looking at a 10' #4 but after a conversation with Mike yesterday about 10' rods being too long for a tube and tip breaks occurring, I don't know any more. Anyone use a 10 footer in a tube?

I do know that I want it to be a #4, 4 piece (Orvis Access is currently top of the list, Helios if I get into a bank after closing time) and as light as possible.

Over to you chaps.

Ta,

 

[Ben Dixon]

Hi Euan,

Kev, Stuart, Hamish and a few others all fish a 10'er from the tube.  I have done and did not find it an issue landing fish.  I can see what Mike is saying, you'd need to be careful about the tip angle when bringing it to hand or to the net. 
If you're interested in an Access I can arrange a play with one.


CHeers

Ben

[Sandy Nelson]

Euan

I've not long finished making a sage 9'9" "99" for a 4wt
With tubes, lochs and bugs in mind, it's magic on grass
Not tried it on the water yet. I'm home on the 1st of October so it's available to
Try out if you want to  from then onwards. Could be a curve ball
I think the new Scott A4 might come in 10ft 4wt as well
In fact you may well find a few to try, seems to a popular configuration these days.
 Could be a lot fun finding out. I've a 9ft S4 and tcx that are both stonking 4wts too.
Lots of options ( I'm into 4's at the moment, have a rather special grass one too)

Boy I'm looking forward to getting home and back into the groove

Sandy

[Jim Eddie]

I use a 10ft Orvis Western 3 5# from tube and boat and like it a lot. Not sure if itomes in a 4# though, sure Ben can advise.

 

Jim

[Ben Dixon]

Orvis do make a Wester3 for a #4 line.  I have one and it is my rod of choice for most of my loch / boat stuff.  Softer than the Helios & Access 104's, I like it. 

Cheers

Ben

[Hamish Young]

As Ben has already pointed out I fish a 10' rod from the tube and boat (a 4wt Helios) and have yet to suffer any issues at all in the 'tube. I see what Mike is probably suggesting, but if you're canny and have a suitable net with a decent handle length for using in the 'tube I don't see any reason not to buy a 10' rod myself.

That Helios is very much my 'go to' rod for really anything trout related other than streamer fishing and if I had to choose an all rounder for tube and boat then it would be 10' - no question.
I wouldn't dismiss the idea of a 9'6" rod, but given the choice it'd be the 10' every time. Although others may have a different view, I see rods of 9'6" and over as a positive advantage from a drifting boat. Equally, I can see the merits of a 9' rod for 'tubing - but 10' would be my personal preference.

As to line weight.... hmmmm. I can see advantages in having something in the 5 or 6wt territory, if only for (maybe) a sinking line and lure fishing for 'bows or perhaps chucking something a bit heavier about for Sea Trout or (even) the occasional Salmon making the rod more of an 'all rounder' for you. Then again, if you don't see yourself doing much of that then the Western3 #4wt that Ben uses is quite happy with 'proper' sized loch flies and having had a chuck or two with it I suspect it would probably cope with pretty much anything you cared to fish with. I quite like it and would consider one although if my recollection is sound it's a 3 piece. I have yet to try the Access so can't pass comment.
I'll be intrigued to try out this new Sage that Sandy has crafted (he builds a nice rod, by the way ) as I have yet to pick up a Sage of recent times that I haven't immediately got on with.

H

[Euan Innes]

Thanks everyone 
Ben - I'd love to try the Access 104. Maybe I should have a dental appointment soon... In fact I have quite a few over the next two months so you'll probably get a text at some point.

Sandy - Damn you! There I am almost out of therapy from our last meeting and you go teasing me with rod candy once again.

Hamish - I think you already know why I asked this question The Western is a 3 piece so that's out regardless of how nice it is. The old Scott can take care of sunk l line duties.

Maybe we should have a 4 weight day at Haddo when Sandy get through quarantine and has all his shots up to date.

I still think the Access might be the one....

 

[Peter McCallum]

I use a 10ft Orvis Western 3 5# from tube and boat and like it a lot.

Me three

[Iain Goolager]

From the tube I prefer the shorter rod (and slightly shorter leader to suit) in fact I typically use a 9' rod.
I just feel with the restrictive or confined nature of the tube coupled with the fact that many fish will be either hooked or cast to very close to the tube I have the feeling of more control. 

Prefer a 10' rod from the boat if there's an option.

Iain

[Euan Innes]

Iain,
It's a 9' #5 that I use currently so I may have to try 9' #4 to see what I make of that. I do like a 9 footer 
And then Sandy will pop up with his Sage 99 and I'll go all to hell and not know what I'm doing 

Again....

 

[Ben Dixon]

The Western is a 3pc.  Will throw anything within reason with the right line on it, for light (floating) line loch stuff, I like the Orvis Power Taper Wonderline WF4F (half size heavy & short front taper).  It kicks over hard and is useless for anything remotely delicate without a Bonefish tapered leader on the end but it will turn over a cast of 3 bushy deer hair & rubber things at most ranges. 

The Western is a much deeper flexing slower actioned rod than the Helios or Access, something I like when wild loch trouting from a boat (this applies only to the 104, the rest are quite pokey).

Cheers

Ben

[Mike Barrio]

I guess I'm outvoted then

I do prefer the longer rod for a drifting boat, but I find it cumbersome for netting a fish in a float tube and watching others at the fishery I wince when I see their rod tip bending as the fish comes closer to the tube!

Cheers
Mike

[Ben Dixon]

You do make a very good point Mike.  I'd estimate that 80% of rods I get back broken are tips that have been snapped whilst playing or landing fish.  I always ask what angle the rod was at when it broke and the answer is usually near vertical and the rod is probably more likely to be in this position more freqiently when trying to land a fish from the bike.

Best solution IMO would be a universal ban on rubber rings

Cheers

Ben

[Mike Barrio]

Almost every time that I have discussed this with anybody at the fishery, their reason for wanting a 10ft rod for float tubing is that they catch their backcast on the water with a 9 footer ...... personally, I think that this should be easy enough to cure with a change in their casting angle?

Cheers
Mike

[Ben Dixon]

Almost every time that I have discussed this with anybody at the fishery, their reason for wanting a 10ft rod for float tubing is that they catch their backcast on the water with a 9 footer ...... personally, I think that this should be easy enough to cure with a change in their casting angle?

Cheers
Mike

Should be depending upon line type and length of line they wish to carry.  At Haddo I think I would probably go 9' from a tube as it's very unlikely I'd be working flies through a wave or dibbling and for me a shorter rod is more accurate than a longer rod so better suits how I fish at Haddo.

Cheers

Ben

[Mike Barrio]

I should of course add that practical issues, whatever these might be .... should not cloud one's judgement when the urge is there to acquire new toys    

Perhaps we should all have an 8.5, 9, 9.5 and 10 footer in various weights ..... just in case we need them!

Cheers
Mike

[Euan Innes]

Or we should all do what Geoffrey Bucknall did and have a range of rods ALL in the same line.*
It's his damn fault that I got into light lines in the first place, with his crazy Brightwater rods - imagine having a set of rods in 8, 9, and 10 feet all using a #3 line. These are all trout rods, including seatrout, and throw the same line.

I am so used to a 9 footer (all I've used in the last 6 years) that I don't know how I would get on with a 10' but I like the idea.

Ben - The accuracy thing IS better with a 9' and I need one that out shoots the Scott.

Mike - Yes my casting needs to be better...

And another thing. Thanks to Bucknall, again, I only use two flies from a drifting boat so does the reach, dibble, working the fly thing really matter? I can get my arm pretty high up to work the flies.

So I need two shoot outs. One at Haddo to find the rod that I am after and on at the bank when I make the withdrawal 

And whatever rod I choose better take my Teton reel in it's seat or the deal is off

*Go read "To meet the first march brown" by GB if you haven't already - just a great read. It's written by an angler, not an "expert".

 

[Mike Barrio]

Mike - Yes my casting needs to be better...

Euan - You should see mine!     

Cheers
Mike

[Sandy Nelson]

So it has more to do with venue and fishing tactics
I'd go with that.
I like to use 8'6" or 9ft at haddo but tend to go longer elsewhere
As the fishing style dictates.
A less tip actioned and more through actioned rod might also help
I think we should all have a 7'6" 4wt boo

Sandy

[Euan Innes]

I think we should all have a 7'6" 4wt boo


I have! 

 

[Sandy Nelson]

Me too, so what more do you need

S

[Ben Dixon]

Euan - You should see mine!     

Cheers
Mike

Why Mike?  You've not gone backwards again have you or should that be more backwards? 

Ben

[Mike Barrio]

More backwards Ben    

Cheers
Mike