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Ewan Lindsay

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #150 on: February 11, 2011, 13:41:34 PM »
Almost hesitate to propose this but... :z6 I read it was the Ram's Urine & Sheep Ticks' Feaces from the wool takenfrom the Rams' nether regions!  I believe they also used to use unborn seals' fur dyed red too... :shock

Ewan

Peter McCallum

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #151 on: February 11, 2011, 14:53:44 PM »
Almost hesitate to propose this but... :z6 I read it was the Ram's Urine & Sheep Ticks' Feaces from the wool takenfrom the Rams' nether regions!  I believe they also used to use unborn seals' fur dyed red too... :shock

Ewan

Not quite though your in the right region.... :shock oooo errrr missus

Catman

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #152 on: February 11, 2011, 18:14:48 PM »
I'm with Big Daddy

Taken from the discription of a tying for the Tups Indespensable.


The Body: A little fine wool from the ram’s testicles, which is of a beautiful dusty yellow.

Alex

Peter McCallum

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #153 on: February 11, 2011, 18:33:11 PM »
Seems it was from the dye that was used to show when the ram had done it's job - a red stain on the ladies back showed the tup had indeed been indespensible.

I'll go with you guys though.

Over to you big daddy

Hamish Young

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #154 on: February 11, 2011, 18:43:03 PM »
Seems it was from the dye that was used to show when the ram had done it's job - a red stain on the ladies back showed the tup had indeed been indespensible.

I'd buy that Peter, that's what I would have suggested  :cool:

:z3
“When tired at last, he sat on the bank, while the river still chattered on to him, a babbling procession of the best stories in the world, sent from the heart of the earth to be told at last to the insatiable sea.”

Peter McCallum

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #155 on: February 11, 2011, 18:55:04 PM »
I'd buy that Peter, that's what I would have suggested  :cool:

:z3

£50 and its yours Hamish :z4 :z4 :z12

Catman

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #156 on: February 11, 2011, 19:17:43 PM »
Interesting read this
'I told Mr. Austin that I thought the fly deserved a title, and in his reply he asked what I suggested.  I replied that there was “So and So’s Infallible”, So and So’s Irresistible”, and so on – “Why not ‘Tup’s Indispensable’?"    He said he did not care to name it and for the moment the matter dropped.

'The essential part of this dubbing is the highly translucent wool from the indispensable part of a Tup, thoroughly washed and cleansed of the natural oil of the animal.  This wool would by itself be, like seal’s fur, somewhat intractable and difficult to spin on the tying silk, but an admixture of the pale pinkish and very filmy fur from an English hare’s poll had the effect of rendering it easy to work.  There was also in the original pattern an admixture of cream coloured seal’s fur and combings from a lemon yellow spaniel, and the desired dominating colour was obtained by working in a small admixture of red mohair.  For the mohair I generally substituted seal’s fur, and I believe Mr. Austin did so himself.  When wet the Tup’s wool becomes somehow illuminated throughout by the colour of the seal’s fur or mohair, and the entire effect of the body is extraordinarily filmy and insect-like.

Ok this is a description from Austin himself.
'In an unpublished volume of his favourite dressings Mr. Austin described the pattern in the following terms:
No. 28 - The Red Spinner

'This is a hackled fly tied with yellow silk on a N. 00 Sneck bend hook. It is made with a body sparsely dressed, of a mixture of white ram’s wool and lemon coloured Spaniel’s fur in equal parts, and a little fur from a hare’s poll, and sufficient red mohair to give the mixture a pinkish shade.  It is hackled with a yellow spangled lightish blue cock’s hackle and has whisks of the same colour.'

Sometime around 1890 Austin put together a manuscript of dry fly fishing on the Exe and other North Devon streams, which unfortunately was never published.  However W.H. Lawrie, in his classic work, “A Reference Book of English Trout Flies”, 1967, does in fact give a list of the flies from that manuscript but failed to give further information of its contents.

Interestingly, the pattern given for the Tups is called, simply, the Red Spinner, for it was to be quite a few years later that the fly became know as the Tup’s Indispensable.


Alex
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Catman

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #157 on: February 11, 2011, 19:21:08 PM »
The reason I was sceptical is that farmers sometimes use several Rams & each Ram will have a different colour used to represent it so that it is obvious later which Ram was used on which Ewe.

Alex

Catman

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #158 on: February 11, 2011, 20:06:19 PM »
As Big Daddy seams to be unavailable ****Joker Played*****

On the same theme as the last question but a Tad easier.

Why was a Jersey Herd called a Jersey Herd in other
words where or what did it get it's name from.

Alex

Dave Mundie

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #159 on: February 11, 2011, 22:13:26 PM »
The inventor Tom Ivens used the foil from his milk bottles for the body of the fly and the milk was from a Jersey Herd.

Dave

Catman

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #160 on: February 11, 2011, 23:12:46 PM »
Absolutely spot on Dave :z16

Wonder if anyone still gets their milk delivered in bottles with Gold Tops.

Over to you Dave....


Alex

Dave Mundie

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #161 on: February 12, 2011, 08:56:27 AM »
Recently a local guy showed Rebecca Morelle how to do something but what and who was it?

Dave

Hamish Young

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #162 on: February 12, 2011, 09:13:29 AM »
Trapping mink with Jamie Urquhart :?
“When tired at last, he sat on the bank, while the river still chattered on to him, a babbling procession of the best stories in the world, sent from the heart of the earth to be told at last to the insatiable sea.”

Dave Mundie

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #163 on: February 12, 2011, 09:21:26 AM »
Trapping mink with Jamie Urquhart :?

Spot on Hamish :z16

Over to you

Hamish Young

Re: General Knowledge - Fly Fishing
« Reply #164 on: February 12, 2011, 09:51:37 AM »
OK..... something a wee bit different, for those with longer memories think of the cheesy 'going for gold theme' :z4

Who am I :?

I have held a world champion casting title three times, but have retired from competitive distance casting.

Amongst other brands, I have been associated with Bruce & Walker and Daiwa.

I am most closely associated with a river in the Highlands, where I was a ghillie for over 20 years.

My name is not Ally Gowans.

:z3



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