Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Main Discussion Area => Topic started by: Steven Sinclair on 11/05/2020 at 15:19
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As per title what's everyone's thought's?
I'm rather pleased but that may be for slightly different reasons 😅
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Fractured elbow and knee... All from tripping in my garage carrying a bloody box. Rediculously easily done it would seem!
Stay home but as importantly stay safe 👍
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Steven
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Ouch, fractures can be really sore ...... look after yourself :z16
Cheers
Mike
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Steven
I think so , I want to be out fishing of course, but not if it costs lives.
Nasty fall there, almost did the same in my garage the other day :X1
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Jim
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So much for staying safe at home!!!!
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Stevie,
That was an expensive box, cost you an arm and a leg :X2
Eddie
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Not my favourite Politician , but I think she has more Idea than Boris, I will stay at home until it's sorted, Derek Roxborough
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ouchy...
im mostly happy with the Scottish 'stay at home' for a bit but....
Fishing on hill lochs is much safer than almost any other activity outside of the house so 100 % should be allowed. Most of the fishing on these wild lochs is done by people on their own and miles from anyone else.
Stocked lochs could limit the amount of people allowed on, people could pay via contact-less etc
You could also re-open rivers for salmon fishing safely with a wee bit of common sense.
For example take the Dee. You could set rules that say only those who stay within 30 mins of the river are allowed to buy tickets and fish it but social distancing must be observed and you are not allowed to use the bothy.
Fishpal could ask for proof of address and this could be checked at the waterside. If you are found to have driven from the central belt for a cast then a quick call to the police would rectify the situation
On association waters it would be more tricky as they are more prone to overcrowding but that is not beyond the wit of man to solve....
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Stay at home, that's the Message and until that changes I will stay that way,
Derek Roxborough
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Right decision, dubious reasons, far reaching implications.
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It’s the wrong decision.
As it stands you can cycle as far as you want, queue for as long as you want at the shops amongst groups of people and walk for as long as you want at the water you can’t fish at.
This is what people are doing despite the stay at home message and they are quite entitled to do so because of how messed up the guidelines are.
But we’re deemed a risk by wanting to stand alone, fishing.
I could have been out today and probably not seen a soul. Instead I’m off to do battle at Tesco,
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Absolutely agree Dave. Our mental and physical well being will improve by getting outdoors in isolation. I could have gone fishing today but have to be careful to chose my time and place, as our various fisheries open up. I'm waiting for the big syndicated and club waters to open where there will be a good deal of control. I went to one of our small club waters yesterday to make sure it was OK for members to use today. Enjoyed doing some maintenance work by myself but I won't be going there now for a while, not until the situation is safer for an old timer. I will just use common sense follow the hygiene guidelines and think of others. Pleased that my old X Trail started first touch after standing for two months. Only did a 6 mile round trip but felt good to be out again :z18
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I am just back from work on 3 boats in Scrabster. It is apperently OK for me to collect a colleague from his house, drive north in the van, meet 30 more people than I have in the last two weeks, work in close proximity to half of them and come home and be back in the workshop tomorrow BUT not go fishing, alone. I am not self isolating after the trip.
Obviously we should not go near the old and sick in nursing homes, nor should we have added more sick people to the homes, but those of us who feel fine about going out in to the world should be encouraged to do so. The UK will be on its knees very soon with a workforce that wants to stay at home. Wrong move.
Other than the high risk areas like London, most of the country is at a very low risk. The death rate is not that much higher than a normal year. There have been worse flu seasons in UK history, with no lock down. In the late 60s America had a bad case of Hong Kong flu and 100,000 people died, 1,000,000 world wide and nobody locked down. People were incouraged to get it to obtain immunity and yet here we are, panicking in our houses and being force fed a diet of fear. Piers Morgan is losing the plot and ranting about mass murder, ffs. Celebrities are on promoting lockdown, which is fine if you are loaded and have a huge house and probably a promise of work if the recite the script.
The NHS will go back to being the royal f**k up it was before this germ arrived and I for one will never clap for a bunch of retards that have time to dance on Tik Tok and made my 88yr old mother do physio on a broken leg they didn't find and completely miss the cancer in her lungs, hip and liver.
If you say this line like a Dalek, getting higher each time, you may see what is happening. "Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives".
I have seen more people out walking dogs I didn't know they had, in groups, where I live than ever before. I drive to the woods near the North Esk and walk there, never seeing a soul. I sit and watch fish that I cannot cast for, and contemplate taking the wee rod with me. There have been some great hatches and I have even seen some Daddy Long Legs!
Last night the bar in the hotel in Wick was open to guests and we socially distanced from each other and got royally pished. 8 blokes, smiling, with no wives and pints in hand showing what can be accomplished.
Glen Tanar in a float tube or the Isla, alone with the short rod, cannot come quick enough.
Euan
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some people seem to be doing a mix and match with both decisions, the main thing , as I see it, is to stay safe and that keeps everybody safe, it only takes one selfish or stupid person to give it to more people. I would like to get fishing but my health is important to me and my family, stay safe and stay at home.
Derek Roxborough
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According to the report on a Scottish BBC today, 3213 deaths ‘linked’ to Covid 19 with 76% of those deaths being over 75 years old.
91% of those in April had underlying health conditions.
I really can’t help but feel the stats coming from the deaths in care homes are skewing the overall figures. These care homes were in lockdown before the national lockdown, so really what good has that done?
Sturgeon will follow the English lead soon enough, she just wants to be seen to be making her own decision.
I agree her message has been clearer though. It’s an absolute cluster down south.
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you do what you want mate, I will wait, I am not a scientist but my Daughter -in law is, she is actually working on the Vaccine team, and If she says take care then I will listen to her before I listen to you , Derek Roxborough
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/13/pensioners-34-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid-19-than-working-age-brits-data-shows
More figures released today. Over 65’s are 34 more times likely to die than those of a working age.
Out of all the deaths in the UK, only 401 are under 45. You then also have to factor in underlying health issues.
I would certainly be staying in if I was older and at risk.
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It can be a dilemma for us older guys. I turn 82 this year, similar to Derek. Not a lot of time left for all that I plan to do.
So, do I stay at home and probably die anyway, or do I go fishing? Fortunately I have kept myself very fit with gardening and building every day plus done 700km on the C2 rowing machine this year. No medication. BP perfect and RHR low 40's. I'm saying all this to demonstrate that all of us older people are not unfit and that we should not be grouped together.
Think I'll walk the short 3/4 mile to the river this afternoon with the little fly rod. The Trent here has been regarded as a coarse river but pollution wiped them out and now the Grayling and Trout are back, but no one seems to know that. There will be no one else there - my little secret :wink.
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realistically Scotland is a week or two behind England, especially London, so easing things first down south makes sense,
Especially as a tonne of people got it in London so there is probably a degree of immunity. Mind you we will see if a few weeks as public transport seems to be heaving again in London. If i lived there i would NOT me going to work if i had a choise.
How much is NS's decision is driven by political posturing and the desire to cause division vs 'the science' ? I'll not state my view as we dont do politics on this forum which is a good thing.
I was listing to Jason Leitch on 'off the ball' on saturday and he basically said that Scotland would follow England VERY shortly so here's hoping !
So was there such a need for a political 'rammy' up here over something that is going to happen almost straight after england ?
Im shielding my daughter but i think that it is safe for me to go fishing somewhere remote right now as almost anything else i can think to do like walk the dog is far more likely to get me inflected !
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every thing is self self self,although I have underlying health problems , I keep fit for my age, walking to remote hill lochs etc. but I will take my cue from the Government scientists, I would like to go fishing etc.but if I am not loading the NHS. then I will stay put, you lot do what you want :z8 Derek Roxborough
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I'm happy enough with the decision.
If the lock down is eased in the near future i will still have around five months of fishing to look forward to.
That's more than enough for me these days.
Duncan
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I'm Ok with the Decision also, but don't hold your breath Duncan, I think it's next year for a cast, :z18 Derek Roxborough
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Giving that it’s barely justifiable at the moment we can’t go out fishing, I would like to think we will be fishing come June.
If it is the case we go a whole season not being allowed to fish, the rest of society would still be in lockdown and economy as good as finished.
Just can’t see that happening.
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Agreed. Sooner the better. Sweden has had a great success with herd immunity, as has Belarus. Way better results than closing the healthy population indooors, which in the history of the world has NEVER happened before. "Only" 300,000 have died globally, which is almost normal and is a very small number considring that we are appraoching 9 billion. London is at a regular 0.1 infection rate. The whole thing is a joke. Aids has killed more, abortion has killed more and suicide is getting close.
Stop being sheep and get out more.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-XHvZKsLcY
Have a good weekend boys😎
Euan
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so we don't really need any Of Nicolas advisers when we have you, :z8 ,Derek Roxborough
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another 384 deaths, so it's not actually going away? Derek Roxborough
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Stop looking at the MSM Derek, there have been worse outbreaks. Be sensible, take care but get on with life. NS os full of it. This is less than the late 60s outbreak and less than ebola, which was supposed to be the end of the world. The north of Scotland looked like it didn't even realise covid was happening.
London might be screwed but we aren't. Just a physical observation, not a belief in government statements.
Euan
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Being positive is key to being healthy - body and mind. I am delighted that both farmers I have spoken to in the last few days are being positive and welcoming anglers back on their land. They both said the same thing "you need the fresh air". Their rents have been paid and they could have stayed closed. By being positive they have got us anglers fully on their side and respect is being reciprocated. I observed the gate into one of their fisheries yesterday and every member diligently sanitised or donned gloves to get through. I spoke to a few members from a distance and realised just how much I had missed a proper conversation with friends. A real tonic.
I have missed one trip to the Highlands already and had two more planned with mates but we won't travel up there until I know that we will be made welcome. Can't see that happening this season :cry There have been no deaths in our ward or surrounding wards here in this part of the Midlands, not even the care homes, but that would count for nothing once we cross the boarder. By the same token I would not welcome visitors from London.
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Stevie,
That was an expensive box, cost you an arm and a leg :X2
:z4 Ba boom.
Eddie
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Yes Terry Englandshire is a different kettle of fish, I am shielding according to my letter from Scot Gov. so I have to stay at home, for my safety and for the safety of others, it's a Bummer but then I am no medical expert, so I have to take the advice of those who are supposed to know, I wish to live so I will look at MSM and any other news I can get, the Care Home at Portree is a case in point, how can the owner bring workers from 600 miles away ?and end up with 9 deaths now, we all have to take care, me even more so. Derek Roxborough
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I am as desperate as anyone to go fishing especially as I do not see anyone most days but if fishing is allowed then so is golf etc. If we all stick to the rules it would be ok.
Keep hearing about the deaths in care homes. [a few years ago they were called granny farms remember.] When I leave this house it will either be in a box or to a care home. Gods waiting rooms. Relatives not being able to go to funerals is sad but when I hear of some one who has died at 93 to me that is a good innings.
Bob.
[Not looking to upset anyone just an old yins views]
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Whether I agree or disagree with the conditions of lockdown is of no consequence whatsoever. It is what it is and I will follow the instructions regardless. However as soon as we get the green light to go for a cast I will be in some remote location with no danger of breaking social distancing rules and be happy as a pig amongst s””t.
Tight lines to all whenever it happens.
Eddie
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this auld yin remembers the Para Handy book that mentioned Granny farms, he referred to the New (then) old age pension, Chust get a wheen of old folk and your fortune is made. brilliant books and the Film, I still hope to live long enough to se my Grand kids grow a bit, Derek Roxborough
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52707747
Scottish lockdown could be eased from 28th May with more outdoor activities allowed.
More details coming later this week.
Here’s hoping.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52707747
Scottish lockdown could be eased from 28th May with more outdoor activities allowed.
More details coming later this week.
Here’s hoping.
so to fish a hill loch miles from anywhere and with nobody within miles we need to wait another could of weeks ? Gads....
I can understand why say salmon rivers advertised globally ( on fishpal) need restrictions in place to stop people travelling hundreds of miles for a cast but no reason they cannot open lochs and rivers to local residents immediately.
Basically Sturgeon is setting out a carbon copy of what is being done in England currently - that she was complaining so bitterly about only last week .....So much for not wanting to score political points... :X1
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52707747
Scottish lockdown could be eased from 28th May with more outdoor activities allowed.
More details coming later this week.
Here’s hoping.
Something to look forward to if it happens.
The 28th May would suit me fine as the seatrout start to run the Don around that time :z16
Duncan
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Bide yer time ,Derek Roxborough
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I've watched the various responses from the different governments regarding the easing of restrictions to fishing. England have unlimited travel, Wales are under lockdownn with limited travel & as far as I am aware, Scotland are doing the same. This virus is still out there & will most certainly be for quite some time, unless there's going to be a vaccine we shall always be under the threat of contacting the virus. Good luck to anyone who ventures forth.
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Whilst I've been out practising and can hit 90' with my left hand, the 28th works fine for me as it would mean I'd have a chance of two working arms for playing fish 😂
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Steven
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Sounds like, there being no big changes in the next week or so, we will be back out in our local waters come May 28th.
See you there (from a few meters away!) :z16
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No word for the ones that are shielding, I am nearing week 9 of a 12week lock down, unless I get definite word I will keep in, you lucky People, Derek Roxborough
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So Jimmy Crankie has said that there is a five mile limit on travel for fishing, golf etc. Does she not realise that cyclists have been doing 50 miles plus since lockdown began? Hell I have been doing 12 mile sprints on my bike.
The only fishing that is within 5 miles of me is the North Esk and it is so low that there are no salmon in it. There are some excellent trout that I have been watching on my daily exercise but the chances of being allowed to fish for them are small. Even if I played golf the nearest course is 6 miles away. My nearest Tesco is 15 miles away and we go twice a week to Montrose. Never saw a soul on the beach yesterday and my dogs had a ball in the sea.
And still the cyclists fill the roads in groups that are clearly not the same family.
A pointless platitude from a pointless MP. Nae impressed.
Euan
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So Jimmy Crankie has said that there is a five mile limit on travel for fishing, golf etc.
So the wording is " Permitted to travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but to stay within a short distance of your local community ( broadly within 5 miles) and travel by walk, wheel and cycle where possible"
For a start the wording is shocking. What is ' by wheel' ? Who knows. Its not a bike as they is mentioned afterwards.
Also, define 'broadly'. I'd like to see the police enforce that for a start.
I will be using my common sense and staying within 30 mins of my home for my fishing .
Plus i'll be fishing lochs were either i dont ever see anyone else or where i can be out on my tube. I'll be using gloves to open gates etc etc to protect me and others
5 miles - what a joke. Like Euan says thousands of cyclists have been out doing hundreds of miles a week now for a couple of months but i'm not allowed to travel safely ( by car) to a loch 6 miles away from my house ?
I think i'll use my common sense as the SG clearly dont have any
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Well said Sir!
Euan
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Euan,
She has just announced that there is not a five mile limit but that we should use our own judgement. So as long as there are not huge crowds all going to known beauty spots all should be okay. I am sure that their will not be huge swathes of people heading to where we want to go. :z16
Eddie :z18
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Euan,
She has just announced that there is not a five mile limit but that we should use our own judgement. So as long as there are not huge crowds all going to known beauty spots all should be okay. I am sure that their will not be huge swathes of people heading to where we want to go. :z16
Eddie :z18
thats good to hear. It appears Nic can U-turn as fast as Boris :X2
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Roll on the 28th, or whatever date the First Minister announces on the 28th :z16
She did say that some things might start a few days later :wink ....... but of course, nobody heard that :z4
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So Jimmy Crankie has said that there is a five mile limit on travel for fishing, golf etc. Does she not realise that cyclists have been doing 50 miles plus since lockdown began? Hell I have been doing 12 mile sprints on my bike.
The only fishing that is within 5 miles of me is the North Esk and it is so low that there are no salmon in it. There are some excellent trout that I have been watching on my daily exercise but the chances of being allowed to fish for them are small. Even if I played golf the nearest course is 6 miles away. My nearest Tesco is 15 miles away and we go twice a week to Montrose. Never saw a soul on the beach yesterday and my dogs had a ball in the sea.
And still the cyclists fill the roads in groups that are clearly not the same family.
A pointless platitude from a pointless MP. Nae impressed.
Euan
Euan,
Fire me a message about fishing the Northie 😉
:z18
Steven.
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Great news today. Glad to have specifics on what "broadly 5 miles" means. Count down begins...
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My judgement is that Huntly is within a reasonable distance from Aberdeen. : :X2
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And Brechin...... :X2 :X2 :X2
Euan
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I feel that she is the only one that is sincere in her approach. I will be out when allowed as I have very few seasons left so why waste time.
Bob.
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Well if we do get to go out that will be great. I personally have got a day organised not too far from where I live but in a remote location and have inflated the float tube and got the rest of my stuff ready just in case we get the nod later next week. Here’s hoping we get to go out and tight lines to all if we do. Here’s hoping.
Stay safe,
Eddie :z18
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if the fishing lockdown is not lifted on Thursday just go anyway. If you get stopped say you were " following the instincts of every fisherman " :z16
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Or plead that you were just doing a Dominic Cummings...
Euan
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So Jimmy Crankie has said that there is a five mile limit on travel for fishing, golf etc. Does she not realise that cyclists have been doing 50 miles plus since lockdown began? Hell I have been doing 12 mile sprints on my bike.
The only fishing that is within 5 miles of me is the North Esk and it is so low that there are no salmon in it. There are some excellent trout that I have been watching on my daily exercise but the chances of being allowed to fish for them are small. Even if I played golf the nearest course is 6 miles away. My nearest Tesco is 15 miles away and we go twice a week to Montrose. Never saw a soul on the beach yesterday and my dogs had a ball in the sea.
And still the cyclists fill the roads in groups that are clearly not the same family.
A pointless platitude from a pointless MP. Nae impressed.
Euan
Euan, take a look at mikes posts at balmakewan’s Facebook page, heaps of fish running the northie
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Thanks for that Ali.
The river went up about two feet when it rained on Saturday and then dropped back to about 8". Stracathro looked ace but had no signs of fish. I guess I know where they are now!
Euan
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thats me ready. Flies tied. Fly boxes sorted. Casts tied and on spools. New small stream loaded and ready for my new rod.....
just need to choose where to go and what to fish for :z16
Choices -
pike on fly
syndicate loch for big bows and browns
big wild trout - but small numbers
loads of small trout lochs...
choices, choices....
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So the wee ginger dictator has decided to make it mandatory to wear face masks in shops, despite the fact they don’t protect your from the virus unless you wear the top level PPE.
Of which you’re supposed to dispose of after each time worn.
And all of this over 100 days since start of lockdown.
I already laugh at those wearing masks in shops as I often see people lifting them to scratch their nose, or wearing them round their chin leaving mouth and nose exposed :z4.
As long as it makes them feel a wee bit safer though :z4
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So the wee ginger dictator has decided to make it mandatory to wear face masks in shops, despite the fact they don’t protect your from the virus unless you wear the top level PPE.
Of which you’re supposed to dispose of after each time worn.
And all of this over 100 days since start of lockdown.
I already laugh at those wearing masks in shops as I often see people lifting them to scratch their nose, or wearing them round their chin leaving mouth and nose exposed :z4.
As long as it makes them feel a wee bit safer though :z4
Sorry Dave :z6
We have an unwritten rule on the forum, that we don't do politics etc and do our best to keep discussions about all things fishing.
It's nice to have somewhere to go without whatever the latest media topic is hitting us in the face.
This thread was more about when we would be able to get out fishing again. ( and Steven's legs :z4 )
I hope that's OK :z16
Best wishes
Mike
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Apologies, just seemed to fit in with the thread.
I will vent my frustrations elsewhere.
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Great stuff Dave ..... thanks, it's nice to keep it this way :z16
Cheers
Mike
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Coming up there Sept 5th. Hope we are made welcome..... my flies will be sanitised :X2
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With the end of my brownies and the silver tourist season have been sorting out my fishing tackle. I never got back into the swing of the season this year with the lockdown. Spoke to others and they were saying the same.
Do not mind the restrictions as long as they are properly carried out but have changed my view. Get the impression that none of the "high heid yins" know what they are doing.
Bob.
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Of course they don't. It's like dumb and dumber.
Scotland has a natural advantage as we have a far lower population density than England but it's still been a right mess up here. Far too many people have died accross all the home nations...
And it's really messed up the season to top it off