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Index => Fly Tying => Topic started by: Liam Stephen on 12/11/2017 at 21:06
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Hi guys :z16
I’ve been quiet but still lurking for a while now. Thought I’d get one of these going again over the close season. Last years one got lots of interest and generated some good debates.
Nothing new from me I’m afraid just a revised selection from last season. So here is the nymph side of the box.
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Very impressive looking box. :z16
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That's an impressive set of nymphs, looks like you've been busy!
Here's one from yesterday, a detached body olive:
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Hi guys :z16
I’ve been quiet but still lurking for a while now. Thought I’d get one of these going again over the close season. Last years one got lots of interest and generated some good debates.
Nothing new from me I’m afraid just a revised selection from last season. So here is the nymph side of the box.
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Flies looking good brother, your OCD is paying off!! :z7
Ash :cool:
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Nice ..... looking forward to seeing what everybody gets up to at the vice over the next few months :z16
Cheers
Mike
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Must be about time you dusted you’re vice down Mike! :z16
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I did have a bit of a play at a Spanish wet fly or two Liam, but they didn't turn out anywhere near as nice as the ones that I showed you the other day :oops
The basic shape is not too bad, but an awful lot more practice is required methinks :z4
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Can’t see anything wrong with that Mike!
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All looking good guys :z16
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Cheers mate. You’ve been away to tying shows Allan. Post some pics will you!
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Liam,
What's your verdict on the UV resin coated PTN?
When the UV resin hit the market and then subsequent improved versions, I experimented with putting it on a wide range of flies, including PTN. Haven't found any convincing results for it on traditional flies such as PTN so I don't use it anymore on those. I still do use it for Perdigon styles and a couple of others.
Cheers,
Bryan
Portland, Oregon
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Hey Bryan
I tied a few and tried them. They lasted slightly longer than the regular ones but really weren’t worth the hassle. I only use UV resin for my ceramics now.
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Liam,
OK, thanks.
BTW, I tried making ceramic nymphs a couple of years ago and mine never looked as good as yours. I really didn't fish them enough to give them a good test. I certainly know from reading that others get darn good results with them at times.
Cheers,
Bryan
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Mine so far :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
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Sandy
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One side of plume tips and the other ptns. Sorted! :z16
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A wee update. The early season nymphs are complete. The ceramics just need a coat of UV once it arrives. I’ve also made a start on the spares (summer sizes, high /dirty water beads). I was going to play about with a few experimental patterns this year but why bother.....
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Would be cool to see what everyone’s tying over the close season.
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Great stuff Liam
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After getting a new C&F box I feel mine is now looking like a crap version of Liam’s
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That’s the shit Derek!
Heavy presence of hot orange. You get much success on them? They came in handy for me during high dirty water.
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The water normally goes black rather than muddy above the Isla. When it’s dark like that the hot orange/black ptn is my go to point fly. The salmon seam quite partial to them as well as trout.
Going to try a few bigger perdigons with a hot orange bead and black body this coming season. See if they go down a little easier in big water.
Have a heap of jig hooks to try out as well. Will see if hookups are as good and snags reduce. Find them a bit odd looking but I’m sure the fish don’t care.
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Try a white bead in those conditions as well. Saved my ass a couple of times last season.
I have a hankering to do a small box of perdigons to mess around with. Don’t know if I can bring myself to do it though.... it would mean having 3 patterns instead of 2 to choose from. :z4
In terms of hook ups on the bottom, if you hook it on a curved hook you’ll also hook it on a jig. I stopped using jigs after finding this out and realising I landed more hook s fish on curved hooks. :z4
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Will need to order some white beads to try out.
I’m quite fond of a perdigon for euro nymphing. It’s a slippery slope though you will have boxes of all sorts again in no time.
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What hooks are you guys preferring for making up these beaded PTNs?
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Mine are mainly on Kamasan B110, strong, cheap and the barb can just be nipped down.
Some are on the Hends BL 510, it just looks like a black nickel barbless B110 but are more expensive.
Although I have that Kamasan box I buy them in bulk so they work out far cheaper
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Strong curved barbed things. Daiichi is my preference but those B110 are great!
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Do you prefer the 1120 or the 1130 Liam?
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1120 are better and are basically just a Kamasnan B110. I use the 900 though, Funky Fly Tying or Troutline for them.
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D900's for me too
Have tried pretty much all of them, these are the only ones that haven't sprung on me yet.
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Sandy
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Will need to get some of those Daiichis to try out. Are they comparable size wise to the B110.
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Been tying up a few of these. Hopefully they will hold up big beads :z16
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That looks ace mate. An interesting mix of materials and techniques. I’m still deciding whether to add a ‘Duo Dry’ to the box of just stick with wool..... :z8
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I like a dry when possible. Had indicator flies tied on the lightest hooks I could last year to help floatability but was straightened twice hence the heavy hook.
Most days the nymph is most productive though.
What's your preferred method of attaching a wool indicator?
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NZ strike indicator mate. Tie the dries beefy enough and you get away with heavy wire. :wink
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I found that the "dry fly" indicator did not produce many fish, and those that it did, were all small..so this year I will use an "indicator" and suspend two nymphs underneath.
I will need a big indicator though.....
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But all joking aside, I have some of that stupidly expensive "New Zealand Strike Indicator" wool and sleeves to try this weekend :)
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Rob, is this the kind of thing you’re meaning
https://www.troutcatchers.co.uk/PBSCProduct.asp?ItmID=22465417&AccID=113587&PGFLngID=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImsDx4Yy%5F2AIVyr%5FtCh3g7wrYEAQYASABEgKw%2DfD%5FBwE
I only picked up a handful of small fish last year on the dry whilst fishing the duo, so this New Zealand wool stuff might be a better option on days where there’s not much doing on top and go for two nymphs. I quite like the look of that wool kit although £28 is steep.
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Rob, is this the kind of thing you’re meaning
https://www.troutcatchers.co.uk/PBSCProduct.asp?ItmID=22465417&AccID=113587&PGFLngID=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMImsDx4Yy%5F2AIVyr%5FtCh3g7wrYEAQYASABEgKw%2DfD%5FBwE
I only picked up a handful of small fish last year on the dry whilst fishing the duo, so this New Zealand wool stuff might be a better option on days where there’s not much doing on top and go for two nymphs. I quite like the look of that wool kit although £28 is steep.
That's the kit I have, but I waited until I had my "spend £25 and get another £25 free" voucher at orvis so it "only" cost me 50%.
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Those vouchers are ace, I used mine for tying materials. Hopefully they put more out soon.
I do like the look of that kit, another item added to the list of proposed purchases prior to April. Once it’s bought the wool itself isn’t too bad, should get plenty of days out of it.
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That looks ace mate. An interesting mix of materials and techniques. I’m still deciding whether to add a ‘Duo Dry’ to the box of just stick with wool..... :z8
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This will be "Silly Sandy's" wool then? :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
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I found that the "dry fly" indicator did not produce many fish, and those that it did, were all small..so this year I will use an "indicator" and suspend two nymphs underneath.
I will need a big indicator though.....
(http://cdn0.wideopenspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/sharkrig_1.jpg)
But all joking aside, I have some of that stupidly expensive "New Zealand Strike Indicator" wool and sleeves to try this weekend :)
I make up my own Rob (Liam can confirm) simply using soft plastic tubing and strike yarn. Simple but very effective.
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D900's for me too
Have tried pretty much all of them, these are the only ones that haven't sprung on me yet.
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Sandy
Partridge K4AY, or Patriot (barbless) K4AY-SE, or for cheapness Sprite Grub 1100, excellent hooks and far to often overlooked
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This will be "Silly Sandy's" wool then? :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
Yup the SS indicator :z4
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4's are beginning to feel small
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no wonder I canne get Deveron troots to hit the dries :shock
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I’m looking at trying some nymphs a bit more this season so can anyone help me with a couple of simple (or just 1) patterns and a shopping list of what I need to tie?
I’m guessing PTN’s with tungsten but I’m not sure on hook type or bead size and best colour for bead and thread.
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Ah just read page 2, thinking iB110 as easy to get hold of.
For beads, 2.5 and 3mm?
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Won't be far wrong with that Andy (although i'd urge you use Partridge or Sprite hooks :wink)
Some gold head Hare's Ears with a bit of pearl in them also worth a swim.
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Good point on the hares ear Allan.
What model hook would I be looking for? I’m always a bit lost with the different options available.
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Andy,
Excuse the c#$p pictures but these are the sort of nymphs I'll be throwing at them :z16
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Steven.
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Partridge Barbed:
K5AS Egg / Caddis Heavy (excellent nymph hook)
K4A Grub / Shrimp Down Eye (excellent emerger dry hook)
L5A Dry Fly Supreme (one of their best, brilliant all round hook for river dries, loch dries and loch wets)
G3A Sproat Wet (good general purpose nymph of loch wet hook)
G3A/L Wet Heavy Supreme (another of their best great heavy nymph and heavy wet hook)
Partridge Patriot Barbless:
K4AY Grub and Buzzer (excellent emerger dry hook)
K4AYSE Grub Straight Eye (excellent nymph hook)
CZ Czech Nymph (Another excellent nymph hook offering a more elongated curved shape)
SLJ Wide Gape Jig (best jig hook on the market)
SLD2 Standard Dry (best barbless dry hook on the market)
I use all of the above a lot along with the Sprite range of hooks which are barbed, limited range but very cost effective.
Hope this helps guys and all available from Fly Tying Company
https://www.flytyingcompany.co.uk/
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Here's some of the hooks ready to go:
My wee donation to this years Wild Trout Trust Auction 2 dozen river trout flies including my favourites, dries, spiders and nymphs in there.
Nice wee wooden box thanks to Ed Gormley at the excellent Mill of Kellas Trout Fishery.
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Ah Hooks, the endless debate ............... :z5
Since last year all my flies are tied on 2 hooks.
Daichi D900 and Fulling Mill 35050.
Both have proved to be the strongest hooks but still light enough for dry flies. Lots of hooks work, its mostly personal choice, but these are the ones i have complete confidence in, although the D900's do not seem to be available anymore :cry :cry fortunately i have a few years worth.
Sandy
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Seeing all the tying going on by you guys has spurred me on to get some fleas together for 2018.
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I’m way behind. Just bought a few from Ian Barr which arrived very quickly. Only a dozen for now to see the quality.
http://www.iainbarrflyfishing.co.uk/shop/viewcategory.php?groupid=14
Very nice flies indeed, well proportioned on Dohiku and Fasna barbless hooks.
Only ordered yesterday so handy to know if flies are need at short notice.
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Guys,
while Steven was tying his flees that he has posted here are some of mine that I have been tying at the same time. One side wets and hogs and the other side of the box is nymphs with a view to Durness later this year.
Eddie :z18 :z18
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Guys, these are affy wee flles! :z7
I spent the Christmas break making up stuff like these
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The first one is tied on a streamer hook with the bend cut off and is around 35mm long. If you look closely at the rear just below the tinsel highlight you can see the small loop of nylon that the leader feeds through after it comes through the shank eye. Old skool Intruder :z4
The second one is a tube that has a total length of around 3.5" and the single hook "hides" in the tail.
I now have a whole box of these monstrosities that due to work I will probably not get to try more than once in the spring and probably will be a bit big for July!! :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
Euan
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Must admit I like the Old Skool Intruder style :z16
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Euan,
Out of curiosity what's the advantage of the old skool intruder vs a tube?
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Steven.
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Bigger lighter and waay more mobile fly Steven
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That's broadly true if you're tying with anything other than with plastic tubes Allan.
With decent plastic tubing you can easily create the same sort mobility and size as is possible and associated with shanked intruders.
I'm looking at incorporating a tungsten head in some of my larger plastic tubes to help 'get em moving' a smidgen more and in an effort to resolve the one issue I've noticed with tube-based intruders..... and that problem is if the pattern is orientated (as in it has a defined top or bottom) tubes often develop a habit of not fishing as you intended. Now you could always adopt Ron Sutherland's 'mosquito' fins to a fly and to be fair I haven't actually tried them yet.... but incorporated into a tube-intruder with a defined top and bottom it should be possible to get them to 'swim' nicely. I may actually have to try that out... for the craic.... :wink
For me that's the key, intruders are about action and mobility. I'd suggest that it's in the smaller sizes that an intruder tied on a shank would come into its own.
H
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Cheers guys,
Plastic tubes was exactly what I was thinking I'd be fishing instead of these.
Oh and thanks for reminding me about Ron Sutherland. I had some of his Sutherland specials in my youth that had his add on bits that you didn't find in the shops. I seem to recall my dad saying they made all the difference. If I mind right he used to glue feathers down the flanks but it's been about 20 years since I last saw them. They may be kicking about in one of the old iron mongery boxes I'll take a look when I get home.
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Steven.
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Oh and thanks for reminding me about Ron Sutherland. I had some of his Sutherland specials in my youth that had his add on bits that you didn't find in the shops.
If you're thinking about the Sutherland Special spinning lure... different Sutherland. Ron Sutherland was, until recently, based up at Helmsdale. The Sutherland Special spinning lure was around when Ron was a glint in his fathers eye :wink
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Steven,
I have read and heard (podcasts) a lot about Jerry French, Ed Ward and the rest of the Testosterone Gang that came up with the Intruder and Jerry still prefers them tied on shanks for the mobility. There are several reasons that help with the movement-
The shank could be weighted with dumbells to form a keel and keep it orientated.
The hook can pop out from the shank once the fish is hooked and the shank is then free to not interfere with playing the fish.
With the nylon running down effectively above the shank like a tram or cable car, it imparted more movement in the fly, whereas a tube swims a bit more rigidly.
The design really suits single hooks.
I have tied all my patterns on tubes as well as shanks and will be experimenting with both. Without sounding like a stuck record, I can highly recommend going to www.aprilvokey.com and checking out the podcasts. The two part Jerry French interview covers the Intruder and then the development of the Skagit line and it is really worth a listen. I play them in the car all the time :z16
Also check out any video by OPST on Youtube about the Commando heads and Intruder fly tying, and the www.opskagit.com website. I really have a hankering for a Commando head for my 10' #4 Orvis Access!
Euan
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That's broadly true if you're tying with anything other than with plastic tubes Allan.
With decent plastic tubing you can easily create the same sort mobility and size as is possible and associated with shanked intruders.
I'm looking at incorporating a tungsten head in some of my larger plastic tubes to help 'get em moving' a smidgen more and in an effort to resolve the one issue I've noticed with tube-based intruders..... and that problem is if the pattern is orientated (as in it has a defined top or bottom) tubes often develop a habit of not fishing as you intended. Now you could always adopt Ron Sutherland's 'mosquito' fins to a fly and to be fair I haven't actually tried them yet.... but incorporated into a tube-intruder with a defined top and bottom it should be possible to get them to 'swim' nicely. I may actually have to try that out... for the craic.... :wink
For me that's the key, intruders are about action and mobility. I'd suggest that it's in the smaller sizes that an intruder tied on a shank would come into its own.
H
Spot on H, looking forward to hearing about the fin experiment
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Spot on H, looking forward to hearing about the fin experiment
I confess, it tickles my sense of humour incorporating fins into a fly.... spinning by another name :? :z8 :X1
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Sutherland specials....actually not from sutherland at all - more like the River Don :-). If you find any they are worth a few squids now ! A few years ago i was lucky to get my paws on 3 un-used ones - still in the orginal camera film tubes.
they will never get a swim. I also got one that has been used....amazing for the seat trout..
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Sutherland specials....actually not from sutherland at all - more like the River Don :-). If you find any they are worth a few squids now ! A few years ago i was lucky to get my paws on 3 un-used ones - still in the orginal camera film tubes.
they will never get a swim. I also got one that has been used....amazing for the seat trout..
Indeed :z16 I was fortunate to have been gifted some of the more special specials :z4 I was at Ronnie's house with my old man (they had the cruives fishing together at the time) and was handed his blue and silver Sutherland's that had blue hackle feathers glued down the flanks. According to my Dad these are the ones that he fished himself (i was low single digits at the time and was only just told of this story).
I really must see if I can find them :X1
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Steven.
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James, the reason that Steven got the specials with Ronnie’s own adornments was that I used to rent a beat with Ronnie and I took Steven to visit Ronnie at his house a long time ago. Steven was still at primary school back then and Ronnie gifted Steven a few of his own lures and explained to Steven how to fish them. We should still have them somewhere amongst all the other stuff that we have gathered over the years. You are right about the don however they probably accounted for more seatrout in the Ythan estuary than most lures.
Eddie
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Can anyone recommend good quality beads?
Been trying to make up some size 12s with larger beads but the pack I have are inconsistent to say the least when it comes to the size of the holes.
Many of them slid straight past the eye so I’ve had to sift through the entire lot managing to find 20 out of the 50 that would fit.
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Build up a 'head' of tying thread Dave and keep checking the bead until it sits tight over the thread, spot of superglue if you want for belt n braces. A bit of a faff i know but at least the beads that are too big can still be used.
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Cheers, can give that a go but yeah a bit of a faff.