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Title: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: John Powell on 18/02/2017 at 14:47
ok
bought some Pearsall's Gossamer Silk

coated a test wrap with clear fly varnish .......didn't work, ;  stayed pure white...?
also with 20% acetone in 80% varnish ........nope

what do I need to buy..?
thanks
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 18/02/2017 at 15:14
Quote from: John Powell on 18/02/2017 at 14:47

what do I need to buy..?


Some magic invisible wrap solution  :X2

 :z4 :z4 :z4

Sandy
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: John Powell on 27/02/2017 at 21:59
Quote from: Sandy Nelson on 18/02/2017 at 15:14
Some magic invisible wrap solution  :X2............ :z4 :z4 :z4...Sandy..

I admit defeat - nothing makes them translucent

I bow to your expertise........... :z14
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 28/02/2017 at 08:29
If you want completely translucent, use white gossamer silk. Coloured will always have a slight taint of colour through it.

I have used FlexCoat Lite "watered down" with Acetone. About a 50-50 mix for the first coat. The hardest part it to prevent bubbles getting between the foot and the thread. I read on a US forum that you can actually "suck" the air out with a piece of tubing. So far I have not tried that, relying on careful application from the edge of the wrap towards the guide itself.

Once dry, apply a coat of normal epoxy. I prefer Lite on a fly rod.

I have not done a lot (and Sandy is the master) as I actually hate this look, but the customer is always right ;)

Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: John Powell on 28/02/2017 at 11:26
Quote from: Rob on 28/02/2017 at 08:29
If you want completely translucent, use white gossamer silk.
...........I have not done a lot (and Sandy is the master) as I actually hate this look, but the customer is always right ;)..

thanks
i did buy Pearsalls Gossamer Silk - but no luck
I bought the varnish from eBay - hmm - I'll try again with Vernards

it wasn't to add a guide but to reinforce a repair
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(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x324/Yardbent/fishing/FARLOWS/800%20-100_4905_zpsqhorzunb.jpg) (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/Yardbent/media/fishing/FARLOWS/800%20-100_4905_zpsqhorzunb.jpg.html)
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thanks for the info
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: John Powell on 28/02/2017 at 11:28
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dont understand why i canna include a pic in the post.??????????????????/
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: Mike Barrio on 28/02/2017 at 11:37
I can see your photo John :z16
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: John Powell on 28/02/2017 at 11:52
Quote from: Mike Barrio on 28/02/2017 at 11:37
I can see your photo John :z16

I cannot..?

must be covered in Sandy's     ''..magic invisible wrap solution..''..... :z4 :z4
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: Mike Barrio on 28/02/2017 at 11:58
This is what I am seeing, perhaps you need to refresh your page?
Cheers
Mike

(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2-280217115721.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4012)
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: John Powell on 28/02/2017 at 12:03
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bingo - thanks................. :z16
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 28/02/2017 at 14:09
Hmmmmm...I would not be using any form of fly tying varnish. It really is not suitable for what you are trying to do. Firstly, it is a hard varnish and will not flex. secondly, it will crack with age, thirdly, it will yellow with age.

I would recommend a proper rod building epoxy finish.

http://www.guidesnblanks.com/product_list/320

You might be able to get cheaper on ebay etc.  As I say, I use Flexcoat Lite but I have also used Rod dancer Threadmaster. They also do a non mix coating as well, although I am not sure how that would take to thinning.
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: John Powell on 28/02/2017 at 14:23
Quote from: Rob on 28/02/2017 at 14:09
..I would recommend a proper rod building epoxy finish......................

thanks
I recently ordered  Rod Dancer Threadmaster ONE. (a 1part epoxy)
Title: Re: what makes silk thread translucent..?
Post by: Mike Thornton on 28/02/2017 at 16:11
In 1965 I participated in a cane rod making class at Esslemont  School, Ellon.  It was sponsored by Sharpes of Aberdeen, and the tutor was one of their rod makers.  You started with the rough cane blanks and finished up with the rod of your choice, built to Sharpes specifications,  As a matter of interest, which may be relevant to the current debate, the rods were finished with a few coats of good quality yacht varnish, applied very lightly with a fingertip.   How things have changed !