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Title: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 01/10/2016 at 20:55
Guys  :z16

Please use this thread to share any new and improved or old reliable patterns coming off your vices this close season. Sharing is caring!  :z4 :z7

To kick things off here's a couple of old reliables with a funky twist:

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-011016205502.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3763)

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Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: James Abel on 07/10/2016 at 19:34
How u getting on with tying the ceramic buzzers Liam. When I get home got a fly that worked well for me over the summer I will post a photo.  Ah the best james
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 07/10/2016 at 19:50
Hi James  :z16

They are still a work in progress........ I've tied a good few and caught on them but I'm still not 100% happy with them yet.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 08/10/2016 at 10:04
Looking forward to having a go at topping up my fly boxes over the winter ..... and seeing if my eyes are still up to the job :z6

I'll post a few pics Liam, even if they turn out to be as poor as I suspect they will :z4

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 08/10/2016 at 21:11
My version of Paul Proctors APT.

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh7/skuesapprentice/P5300023.jpg) (http://s252.photobucket.com/user/skuesapprentice/media/P5300023.jpg.html)

This fly in a couple of slightly different versions (including this one) took my 2 biggest fish of the season, among many others.
Pauls dressing leaves loads of room for personal tweeks and has to be one of the best general purpose patterns ever created.

Sandy
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 09/10/2016 at 13:37
I'll be receiving some nice Gallos De Leon feathers from Spain soon ..... looking forward to putting them to good use :cool:

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2-040915121032.jpeg)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 22/10/2016 at 22:55
An update on the nymph box.  Should be full in no time then it's onto the ceramics.

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-221016225317.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3819)

Anyone in tying mode yet?

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Hamish Young on 24/10/2016 at 08:42
Anyone in tying mode yet?

Yup  :wink
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Euan Innes on 24/10/2016 at 13:08
Me too!
Salmon - I have a dozen Stoats Tails to do on singles and about half a dozen odds and sods and that's it done.
Trout - No more than a dozen or so mixed and that is that done too.
Salt - A few more Crazy Ivans and some "prototypes".
Orders - I have one order coming in for sure for about two dozen trout flies but I might have a few more after that.

And of course there is the whisky factor - Two or three drams, the creative juices start flowing and there you are back at the vice making a sure fire killer!  :z4 :z4 :z4

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Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 24/10/2016 at 18:12
Do share Hamish!  :z16

Ewan it's sounds like you are either a man with confidence in a handful of patterns or you don't give your flies up to rocks, trees, weeds and friends in need like I do.......?  :z4 :z7 :wink

Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Euan Innes on 24/10/2016 at 21:39
Liam,
Yes and yes!
I used to have boxes and boxes and boxes of trout flies and after keeping a diary for two years I found out that I only used a handful of flies to catch all my fish. Now I have a Loch box and a River box, with some crossover flies in the Loch box.

My Salmon flies are one box of doubles and singles and one box of tubes. To be honest I don't use that many patterns, just ones that I have used for a very long time and have a lot of faith in. There's a black one, a silver one, a black and blue one, some yellow and some orange ones, and some little Scandinavian ones. :z4 (There is a spares box for bad days but it usually stays in the bag unless I am having a really bad day)

I used to spend a lot of time sitting looking at all the pretty flies and not having one in the water, which kinda defeats the purpose. I do lose flies in trees and on rocks but when I get home I usually replace them pretty quickly. I carry three flies in each size that I use. I will get some photos posted this week.
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Euan Innes on 25/10/2016 at 07:00
Liam,
This is what I normally carry.
Salmon 1
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/13-251016064734.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3821)

Salmon 2
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/13-251016064757.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3822)

Loch 1
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/13-251016064821.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3823)

Loch 2
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/13-251016064850.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3824)

River 1
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/13-251016064924.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3825)

River 2
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/13-251016064947.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3826)

There are times that I don't have the right thing but it still beats carrying too many and scratching your head. :z4 I find that the salmon fishing in particular is simpler with a lesser collection and you will not find me changing flies half way down a pool.
I only fish for Rainbows maybe twice a year so not too many Rainbow flies. The Brown trout flies for lochs are all old favourites and the river flies are what gets me by. Now if I did a lot more river fishing the selection would probably change. The size of the box wouldn't change, just the selection.
All my boxes are Caimore double sided clear views, which, for the money, are just excellent.
Maybe I am just odd! :wink

 :z1
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 25/10/2016 at 09:21
Maybe I am just odd! :wink

Nah! i would never say that.................. :z4 :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Eddie Sinclair on 25/10/2016 at 15:40
Euan, those of us  who fish and tie are all odd to those who dont,

however i took your one box idea to the next level up in Sutherland during the last week of the trout season. I tied on two flies to fish with on the first day and promptly misplaced the box that they came from.

even though I had other boxes I just fished with the same two flies apart from one day of flat calm when a CDC emerger did the business.

4 days with the same two flies and my catches were still ok.

Maybe the one box principle is the way forward.

I will still continue to tie and carry way too many as it is just the way I am.

Eddie. :z18

Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Euan Innes on 25/10/2016 at 17:25
Eddie,
The "One box" project sort of worked as long as it was one for lochs, one for rivers, one for salmon, one for tubes and one for salt! :z4
The salmon doubles and singles box was the easiest to do. The tube fly box was not so easy but after a season it got pruned back brutally and I am now happy with it. It doesn't get used a lot and on the last couple of days on the Dee, Beauly and Ness it stayed in the bag and the doubles box was my only companion.
The trout loch box was easy but rather than carry a separate Rainbow box I amalgamated the two, something that might change for next year. Another wee box full of buzzers, lures and reservoir dries might have to happen. This would free up space in the loch box for a couple of "prototypes"  :wink
I do think that if you present two flies to Highland trout and one of them is black and the other is claret then you can't really go wrong (most of the time)
Right now I am very happy with where I am and feel that I could go anywhere in the UK and have something that would catch most species. Maybe not specialised, but able.
I have also sorted out a lot of my tackle for the tail end of this year and the start of next year to suit the simple box approach, but that will be a different thread.

 :z1
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: James Abel on 25/10/2016 at 21:18
Hi all here is a fly I tied it works very well for me on small waters it is similar to a Pittsford pea it works very well on small waters.The body is gel core micro body size 14 and the trusty Flexi cat photos below. There not in the box yet just been busy tying up some flies. I don't do much rivers yet but in time maybe
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 26/10/2016 at 18:00
Nice one HF!  :z16

These guys have received some bad press lately so I had to try them.

The Mop:

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-261016175816.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3832)

The small (14) one looks ideal for the Don and Deveron Caddis.  The large one (12) is a little chunky but you never know.......

Now to find a yellow and cream mitt to steal bits from.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Euan Innes on 26/10/2016 at 19:14
Ahh, the Bead Head Booger! :z4 :z4 :z4
In an odd way I like them. I read this on the Flyfisherman.com website,

“I’m sorry guys, but I absolutely hate the mop,” said one keyboard warrior. “I was fishing late summer one time and was doing ok and decided to try a mop for the first time. I watched fish that weren’t even feeding go out of their way to eat it. No matter if I dragged it, made a good drift, left it dangle in the current while I waded upstream, fish were literally moving 3 ft or more to eat it. It is definitely a deadly fly, but it required no skill, drift, or any of the technical aspects that makes fly fishing challenging and great.”

“Forget the Squirmy. Forget the egg flies. The Mop Fly is the most sinful fly of all time,” says a headline on the Flymen Fishing Co. web site."

I am off out to the shed where my alloy wheel cleaning noodle mop lives with some scissors..... Bwa ha ha :z4

 :z1
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Andrew Ellis on 08/11/2016 at 08:19
I'm definitely in the 'fish very few patterns camp'.... I just carry them in a variety of sizes.  Tying these at the moment Liam, the 'Appleby Olive jig' which is my 'go to' river nymph. Like nigh on all my flies, it's tied as a scruffy mess of a thing that could be a number of food items. I tie it in 14's and 16's.

Andrew

(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n585/Peldonman/Camera/20160823_125518.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/Peldonman/media/Camera/20160823_125518.jpg.html)

They're what Sandy would term 'ammunition'. 
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n585/Peldonman/Camera/20160823_155746.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/Peldonman/media/Camera/20160823_155746.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 08/11/2016 at 09:24
They look fishy Andrew ...... nice :cool:
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 08/11/2016 at 10:08
Nice one Andrew  :z16

I've still got the ones you sent me. I must admit I didn't try them though as the back end dry fly was too good! March will be swimming time for them with a PTN on the dropper.

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Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Andrew Ellis on 08/11/2016 at 11:08
Thanks Mike, they've worked in every river I've fished them and a friend found it his most successful nymph in New Zealand, so I'm confident in fishing them... which is half the battle.

No worries Liam, they should do the business when you do swim them... let me know.  And here are a few of my bog standard stillwater pattern... Scruffy buzzers, simple and messy, I tie them with and without a bead head and they catch me nigh on all my fish until I turn to fishing mainly dries May/June time. 

(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n585/Peldonman/20161014_110138.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/Peldonman/media/20161014_110138.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 26/11/2016 at 00:35
I've been messing around with these today. It took me a while to get the right diameter wire for the hook size and proper contrast with the colours but I'm happy now.

Size 18 Caddis Yellow:
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-261116003301.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3884)



(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-261116003336.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3885)


Just need to let it dry over night and coat with resin in the morning.

 :z18
Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Steven Sinclair on 26/11/2016 at 08:44
That's a bonny looking flech!

 :z18

Steven
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Barry Robertson on 26/11/2016 at 20:02
I reckon I could still get through the season with 30 flies but I still seam to carry thousands of flies in my boxes  :z8
You need a blob in that box Euan - it looks naked  :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 03/12/2016 at 22:08
My first batch fully finished. A couple of changes on my first few but I really happy with the outcome.  What do you guys think?


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-031216220727.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3888)



(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-031216220753.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3889)

They are seriously heavy for the size of them so could be very useful on some of our bigger grayling rivers.

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Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 10/12/2016 at 18:53
Some say they look like sweeties..... lets hope the trout and grayling have a sweet tooth!   :z16


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-101216185321.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3902)

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Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 12/12/2016 at 20:17
Having a girlfriend in the beauty industry has it perks..... Not just on the looks front either  :z4 :z7

Blasting my size 18s in this bad boy tonight.

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-121216201531.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3903)

Rock hard finish in no time. Just what's needed to withstand those early season teeth!

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 12/12/2016 at 21:48
Pizza oven Liam?
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 12/12/2016 at 23:15
Not quite Mike!  :z4 :z7

She uses it for setting nail varnishes and uv coatings. It's effectively just a huge powerful uv torch.... Does the job nicely I must say.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Steven Sinclair on 13/12/2016 at 10:53
Liam,

Out of curiosity is the clear uv nail varnish that beauticians use a viable alternative to bug bind etc?

Just thinking it may be a good way of avoiding "fly fishing tax"

Cheers

Steven
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 13/12/2016 at 12:47
Steven  :z16

I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work. The girlfriend says it looks similar so give it a go. I would but she will kick my ass if she finds me using her things!  :z4  :z7

Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Steven Sinclair on 14/12/2016 at 12:16
It potentially opens up a far easier way of making those heavy bugs of yours if you can nab some of her coloured stuff.

Cheers,

Steven
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 14/12/2016 at 12:27
Yeah you are probably right but I don't know if its worth it!  :z7 :z4

On a serious not I will give it a try later and post some pics.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 16/12/2016 at 16:02
Steven  :z16

I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work. The girlfriend says it looks similar so give it a go. I would but she will kick my ass if she finds me wearing her things again!  :z4  :z7

Liam

There you go Liam, fixed that for you as I know you're too shy to say so yourself  :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 16/12/2016 at 16:31
Bloody autocorrect! Thanks Allan  :z4

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Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 19/12/2016 at 17:19
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Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 27/12/2016 at 17:17
Well after 2 days of being Sociable i finally got some me time today. :z7

So i put it to good use, getting ready for 2017. :z16

SDO's, Iron Blues and 3 sizes of LDO's all based on 2016's observations and experiences.

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/19-271216171642.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3924)


I got all the LDO's from the Same Gallo de Leon feather, so can comfortable state you will get at least 2 dozen flies from each feather (probably more) but a least 2 dozen.

Sandy :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 27/12/2016 at 18:06
Sublime work Sandy!  :z16

Mike any update on the GDL feathers?

I won't tie a dry til I have some now that I've seen it.......

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 27/12/2016 at 18:30
Hi Liam :z16

No update I'm afraid,  I've just been too busy with the Christmas rush of orders and then Christmas itself with the family.

I'll let you know on here as soon as I have written the pages for the website.

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 27/12/2016 at 19:30
No worries Mike!

There's still around 70 days or so til the start of the season.......  :z4 :z4

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 28/12/2016 at 18:53
Today it has been Emergers :z12

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/19-281216185228.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3925)

We shall see what tomorrow brings  :z16 Might be Star wars instead :z13

Sandy
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Hamish Young on 29/12/2016 at 07:56
Might be Star wars instead :z13
Go see Star Wars  :z16
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 02/01/2017 at 21:40
Lovely dries Sandy!  :z16

Almost totally done with the nymphs now. Only a couple more rows of the Pheasant Tails to go. Just finished the last of these a few minutes ago.

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-020117213807.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3931)

Anyone other than Sandy been tying?

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 03/01/2017 at 16:40
Why 11's I find this very disturbing.... glad its not my box :X1 Prime numbers make things look unbalanced :z5

Star Wars was excellent  :z12 way better than the last one.

I have just 4 more flies to tie to fill my box (I ran out of hooks :roll)

Sandy
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 03/01/2017 at 16:46
I can't count!  :X1 :X2
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 06/01/2017 at 11:09
Hooks arrived, Box finished. Perfect antidote to the Young mans coloured rocks that he chucks at the fish :z12


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/19-060117110338.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3932)

7 basic patterns

CDC Plume tip, 12-16
Harrops CDC Emerger/cripple, 14-16
Spent Spinner 14-16
APT 16-18
DHE/SHE 12-16
Vasies style Sedge 10-16
CDC Spider 14

A couple of colours,  dark and light, in some patterns , one or two additions like egg sacs on spinners, and a selection of sizes and thats the culmination of the last 4 years of playing with hooks and patterns, these are the ones that work for me. :z16

Oh yes and just to keep the rock chuckers happy there is about a dozen Bead head PT's in a small plastic bag that will find its way into my Pack. Just in case..... :X2

Other than that.... Bring it on :z16

Sandy
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 06/01/2017 at 11:18
Nice ...... very nice Sandy :z16
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 06/01/2017 at 11:25
I was thinking about this while i filled the box, but i don't use many materials these days. I tied the whole fly box with the following.

Grey Squirrel fur
Muskrat fur
Andrews Scruffy Buzzer dubbing
Andrews Golden olive dubbing
Andrews Cinnamon dubbing
Gold wire
Mirage pearl tinsel
Peacock herl
Black Ice Dub
Grizzle hackles
Dun Comparadun hair
Natural Cow elk hair
Lt Grey dun Snowshoe hare
Light Dun floating fibre
Natural Goose CDC
Natural khaki CDC
Medium Dun CDC plume tips
Natural white CDC Plume tips
Gallo De Leon Pardo Corzuno Rojizo
Gallo De Leon Indio Acerado
Gallo De Leon Indio Cristal
Lt Cahill UniThread
Rust UniThread
Lt Dun Bennechi Thread
Olive Dun UniThread
Fulling Mill 35050 hooks
Daichi D900 hooks
Add some tungsten beads and a pheasant tail and that completes the nymphs as well.
It takes up less than a 1/4 of one drawer in my desk. Really makes me wonder why i have all the rest :z8

Sandy
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Bryan Redd on 06/01/2017 at 15:19
Sandy,

I like the limited selection.  What's the "APT"?  I assume it is a type of pheasant tail nymph.

Cheers,
Bryan
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 06/01/2017 at 15:47
Hi Bryan

The APT is the All Purpose Terrestrial by Paul Proctor.

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/19-060117154734.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3933)

 :z18

Sandy
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 06/01/2017 at 18:19
You cheeky bugger Sandy!  :z4 :z7

Rocks catch fish. You know it makes sense!

Bloody nice box of floaty things there. I hope to have something similar spread across a few slimline boxes.

 :z18
Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 06/01/2017 at 21:05
Never mind Tactics Liam

looks more like Tic Tacs for Trout  :X1
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 07/01/2017 at 18:39
Well I like tic tacs and I bet the trout do as well!  :z4

I'm still on the heavy stuff......

They say you find gold at the end of rainbows!  :wink


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-070117183854.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3935)

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Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 08/01/2017 at 18:35
That's both the nymph boxes now complete. I'm still debating whether or not to fill the bottom two rows.

My all time favourite and most productive nymph! In my opinion the only nymph you really need in your box.

140 (1) of the little beauties:

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-080117183333.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3937)


It's now well and truly dry fly time. I see the feathers are now live as well Mike, ace! Order on its way once I've figured out what ones I need.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 08/01/2017 at 18:39
Nice Liam :z16

I've just finished writing up the Gallos de Leon page ..... and you asked me to let you know when I'd got it done :wink

http://www.flylineshop.com/gallos-de-leon-feathers.html (http://www.flylineshop.com/gallos-de-leon-feathers.html)

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 08/01/2017 at 18:45
Thanks Mike!  :z16

So I see and I've just read through it all. I never realised there were so many different types, some interesting reading as well.  :cool:

I know which two I need, one for the tails on my Duns and one for the Spinner.  Order on its way to you.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 09/01/2017 at 15:00
Sandy do I spy some orangey D.H.Es in that box of yours?   :shock

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 09/01/2017 at 17:21
Nope, not really, they are Scruffy Buzzer coloured.

Don't suppose you remember this picture? i remember the day very well indeed :z12

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/19-090117172101.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3938)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 09/01/2017 at 18:53
Shit I do remember that fly! I'll do a few once I get up to speed again. Here's my first couple of dries this year.

Duo Klink:
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-090117185229.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3939)

APT:
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-090117185307.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3940)

I'll play around with a few more tonight to get my eye back in!

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 13/01/2017 at 12:58
Don't forget the Squirmies and Mops for you and Sandy Liam  :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 13/01/2017 at 13:57
Already on it Allan!!  :z16

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-130117135548.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3945)

Sandy, just a dozen of each for you?  :X2

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 15/01/2017 at 21:55
Brilliant  :z4 :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 17/01/2017 at 09:32
Liam and Sandy - your boxes are WAAAAAY too neat and tidy. curse you for making me feel guilty... but good on ya for reminding us that the season isn't so far away


I literally threw my fly tying tray and vice and materials into a cardboard box in november, in a frantic clear up the day before a new wooden floor got put down. Had a quick rummage in the box for superglue last week. Caused chaos. Hooks and feathers everywhere...  still, I've got until March to get my stuff together.
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 17/01/2017 at 21:06
Iain  :z16

You better pull your finger out there's only 56 days to go!  :z4

I can't wait!!!

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 18/01/2017 at 08:16

You better pull your finger out there's only 56 days to go!  :z4


56 minutes to go is when I'm likely to remove finger and get tying over my 3rd coffee of the opening day morning.


Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Derek Roxborough on 18/01/2017 at 13:42
Yes Ian watch what you are doing with the super glue  :shock , easgach 1
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 18/01/2017 at 17:32
Iain I'd  be shaking with excitement that morning. My flies wouldn't be up to much!  :z4 :z7

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 25/01/2017 at 13:03
Relax and take it leisurely, wander down the banks and wait for the olives to appear around lunchtime.......... :wink :z16
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 25/01/2017 at 17:43
I'll leave that to the older chaps Allan!!  :z4 :wink

Still messing about with nymphs for some reason......  :X1

Sawyers Killer Bug:
(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-250117174207.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3960)

Dries are proving to be a struggle so far. Hopefully I find the motivation before march!

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 26/01/2017 at 08:15
nice bug Liam


So, my fly box looked like this at the end of last season

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/11431-260117080017.jpeg)




and, ready for the start of 2017, it looks like this:

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/11431-260117080017.jpeg)


aye, just as messy. While young guns wander the banks searching with pink bugs, i'll be trying to find the right flee in all that chaos i call my fly box :-)

Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 26/01/2017 at 12:00
Iain do you belong to the 'Dry or Die' group?  :z4 :z7

I see a couple of my favourites among the chaos!  :z16

Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 26/01/2017 at 12:02
Just ordered one of these for the car.......  :X2

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-260117120134.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3962)

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 26/01/2017 at 13:22
Here's an idea I've been toying with for a while now. It's probably been done before, so I'm not claiming fame to it.

The only downside to the PTN is durability. Whist it's not enough of a con to stop me using them I've often wondered how to change this. I've seen lots of videos and post of perdigon nymphs recently and of course I love my ceramics. This got me thinking why not add a coat of resin to a finished fly.......?

Here's the result:

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-260117131759.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3963)

When wet:

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-260117131836.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3964)

I really like the look. The segmentation is enhanced, it still looks buggy and it's pretty much trout proof. I could change the tails to something more durable as well but I like the PT fibres.


What do you guys think?

 :z18
Liam


Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 26/01/2017 at 21:58
I think you should get a sticker with proper punctuation.  :X2
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 26/01/2017 at 22:43
Yanks..... what do you expect!?  :z4 :X2

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 27/01/2017 at 08:13
that's a great wee ptn you've made there Liam - old and modern in one. Looks like it'll sink like a stone too
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 28/01/2017 at 09:30
Thanks Iain!  :z16

I think the UV coating will defo enhance its sinking properties. Hard to test this theory in a glass of water though.  :z4

Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Steven Sinclair on 28/01/2017 at 15:50
They look really good Liam but I can't help but think that you are loosing a lot of the "buggyness" of the pt fibres.

Will throw some together myself soon and have a play.

Cheers,

Steven.
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 28/01/2017 at 18:22
I agree Stephen, others have said the same. Luckily I've 168 of the buggy looking ones plus a box of spares!  :z16

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 31/01/2017 at 12:16
A couple of nymphs patterns that make up my spares box.  Nothing new or fancy just some tweaks on old reliable patterns!  :z16

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-310117121507.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3970)


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-310117121534.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3971)

With my 3 nymph patterns I'm confident I'll catch all season!

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 31/01/2017 at 13:37
Surprised that you're tying on barbed hooks Liam? ..... Nymphs look great :z16

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 31/01/2017 at 14:28
Thanks Mike!  :z16

Lots of people are surprised but I haven't been able to find a barbless hook that I like the look of and have confidence in.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 31/01/2017 at 15:48

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/19-310117154846.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3972)

 :X1
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 31/01/2017 at 17:03
Is that for pulling the hook out the fishes mouth Sandy!?  :z8 :X1

In all seriousness they will be crimped before use.

Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 01/02/2017 at 11:14


Quote from: Liam Stephen on Yesterday at 14:28:48 (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7460.msg63753#msg63753)

Lots of people are surprised but I haven't been able to find a barbless hook that I like the look of and have confidence in.


hi liam,


I like the Dohiku hooks, though admittedly only used the 301 model in sizes 16-20 for dries.

Have you had a look at their range at all? Maybe their 644 or 645 would interest you for bugs:
http://dohiku.eu/219-dohiku-hdg-645-larva-pupa-shrimp (http://dohiku.eu/219-dohiku-hdg-645-larva-pupa-shrimp)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 01/02/2017 at 12:18
Hi Iain

I'm familiar with the Dohiku range as I bought pretty much every model in 2014. 

They were not bad but I found them to be one size bigger than stated. The 301 seemed long in the shank from size 16 and above.  The 644 looked good as well but the gape with a bead on was tiny. I must admit I haven't tried the 645 yet and might do in the future.

I've tried pretty much every barbless hook on the market and have found nothing I like with the exception of the FM 35050.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 02/02/2017 at 08:40
hi liam - aye, they are big-sized small flies. The shank length always seems a bit long on the 16s, but the 18s and 20s look just right for wee dry flees. They were my two go-to hooks for almost all of last season on the Don (when we felt that fish were generally feeding on smaller things!)


cheers
iain
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 04/02/2017 at 09:46
There's some discussion on the course angling scene (who are always ahead of us game anglers) that barbless hooks cause more damage due to the amount of additional movement.  To be honest i've never really been overly sensitive to the barbless only regime let's face it what effect does a micro barb have really?  We should be more worried about poor handling of the fish after hooking (and i don't jut mean after landing either, an over-extended 'fight' can be seriously dangerous to the fish).

Having said all that, and been present with scientist guys for scale sampling, electro tagging and electro fishing, even simply watching fish in their general annual spawning regime  i've witnessed the fact they can stand up to quite a bit of 'punishment' with no serious after effects.  Be careful of the 'moral' stance as well, 100% C&R does not give you the 'High Ground' selective retention of fish does, that way you are 'harvesting' and being very selective on a food source, not merely using another living animal for self gratification.  But all wild troots over two pounds should be carefully returned  :wink :cool:
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 04/02/2017 at 10:29
One of my main reasons for using barbless flies is that they are so much easier to remove from my own skin Allan :z4

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 04/02/2017 at 10:53
Nothing moral in my thoughts on this Allan, simply eleven years experience of running a fishery. Folk frequently hooked each other when fishing from boats, in the face, ears, neck and head ..... and themselves in hands and fingers. I was frequently asked to help to remove barbed and de-barbed hooks from folk and in the end wouldn't do it - it was inevitably my fault when it hurt  :z6

Barbless hooks did make a very big difference in how long it took to release a fish, how much that fish was handled and greatly reduced mouth wounds in my experience too. But perhaps the worst culprit for mouth wounds was aggressive striking with rods in the heavier line weights.

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 04/02/2017 at 11:40
Interesting post Allan! I'm sure many will be shouting at their phone/monitor.  :z4 :z7

Liam
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 04/02/2017 at 11:53
Mike  :z16

I wish the rapala hook that a fish impaled me with whilst still on had been barbless.....  :cry

I can still feel it now and it still makes me queasy just thinking about it. Sore isn't it Ash!?  :z4

Most of my barbed hooks have now been debarbed.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Ashley Thomas on 04/02/2017 at 12:05
Mike  :z16

I wish the rapala hook that a fish impaled me with whilst still on had been barbless.....  :cry

I can still feel it no and it still makes me queasy just thinking about it. Sore isn't it Ash!?  :z4

Most of my barbless hooks have now been debarbed.

 :z18

I had a funny feeling you'd mention it in this post.. not a nice feeling, even worse looking at you when it happened and your as white as casper  :shock  :X2

Ash
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Marc Fauvet on 04/02/2017 at 13:12
barbless hooks cause more damage due to the amount of additional movement. 

like what compared to a barbed hook, they come out and go back in ?...   :X1

both types of hooks have the same potential to swivel around as a fish changes direction. the barb has to, and does, create more tears and damage as the hook is swiveling. it's blaringly obvious.
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 04/02/2017 at 13:24
Sorry if my comment has kind of hi-jacked your great topic Liam :oops ...... but it's all interesting discussion.

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 04/02/2017 at 14:57
No worries Mike!  :z16

Discussion is good, this is the place to do it.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 04/02/2017 at 16:33
The 'spares' nymph box. A couple of PT variants that I have huge success with and a hares ear type buggy thing.


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-040217163216.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3976)

350+ nymphs should last a wee while at least. At last count I had 17 dries!  :z4

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Jeff Donovan on 04/02/2017 at 19:33
Lovely looking box of trout-candy.   :z16
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 04/02/2017 at 22:08
A new 'Duo Dry/Float/Indicator/Suspenser/Bobber (that should keep everyone happy) to try this season a long with a few big Klinks.  :z4

I saw the fly on Stan from Ceramic Flies FB page and liked the look of it. They float forever and revive super quickly.


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-040217220651.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3977)


Im struggling to get into tying dries again. It's been a long winter of mainly tungsten and lead.  :z7

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 04/02/2017 at 23:28
Interesting post Allan! I'm sure many will be shouting at their phone/monitor.  :z4 :z7

Liam

Yup, exactly why i typed it  :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 04/02/2017 at 23:30
like what compared to a barbed hook, they come out and go back in ?...   :X1

both types of hooks have the same potential to swivel around as a fish changes direction. the barb has to, and does, create more tears and damage as the hook is swiveling. it's blaringly obvious.

Ahh the dangers of an out of context quote, you don't work for the Record or the Sun Marc?? :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Marc Fauvet on 05/02/2017 at 10:10
no, i'm independent !!!  :z4 :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 05/02/2017 at 10:23
 :z4 :z4
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Derek Roxborough on 05/02/2017 at 13:12
After working in  a hatchery for a few years it is amazing just how much handling  small fish will take, and the bigger ones at stripping time,  I tried barbless hooks ( Moser) and I didn't like them I have a few G Bucknall Micro barb hooks left, I bought quite a lot of them at a Market outside Stirling, these have been very good and easy to release,I can handle and release with out much stress  to the fish, so I will keep to my hooks, :z12 easgach 1
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 13/02/2017 at 20:25
Made a start to the small 'black stuff' box. Started really simple and I'm slowly remembering how ho tie things without tungsten and lead!  :z4

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 13/02/2017 at 20:36
I was mixing tungsten with plastic today ...... great fun :z16

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 13/02/2017 at 20:37
Show me!  :z16

I'll pop in past yours to settle up on Thursday before heading to Sandys.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 13/02/2017 at 20:41
Was making some salmon line tips Liam :wink

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 13/02/2017 at 21:29
Have you been out for a cast yet Mike?

Here some F-Flies in size 18:


(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-130217212806.jpeg) (http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=3990)

Most trout will eat a black F-Fly.

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 02/03/2017 at 22:48
Orange quills just for fun.  :z16


(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-020317224658.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4020)


(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-020317224723.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4021)

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 03/03/2017 at 08:10
shiny, and orange-y. nice!
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 03/03/2017 at 22:23
My version of Sandys CDC spider/cripple. Tied short as well as it just looks better! 16s at the front 14s behind. :z16


(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-030317222227.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4025)

First time in ages I've been able to sit down and only do dries!

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Eddie Sinclair on 03/03/2017 at 22:30
Liam,

very nice, I am sure that these will work for you.

Eddie :z16 :z16
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 06/03/2017 at 22:25
Dirty Dusters size 16. Andrew dubbing in appleby and natural grey.


(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-060317222419.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4028)


Not long now! DHEs need to go above, a secret emerger of Scott's below and a few cdcs in another box. I'll be set for March at least.  :z4

 :z18
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 06/03/2017 at 23:44
They look nice Liam :z16

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Iain Cameron on 09/03/2017 at 17:32
finally got tidied up and ready for the new season. Bought myself one of the fly-tidy trays; they now do a mini one,  only 9⅞" x 7⅞


(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/11431-090317171551.jpeg)


I don't have luxury of a permanent space for a fly tying station; I wanted something I could pack away, but that was super quick to set up.  Also wanted something that I could take on fishing trips. This setup cracks it. In the photo, and on/around the tray is 95% of the fly tying kit I use for my river flies:
The whole lot, including the white sight board, packs away into a plastic crate (against which I lean the sight board).
The mini tray is totally stable, and grand for collecting waste.


even tidied up the flee box; that won't last long

(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/11431-090317171715.jpeg)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mikael Högberg on 15/03/2017 at 20:54
One new pattern from my vice who I going to fish in the sea after sea trout
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mikael Högberg on 15/03/2017 at 21:08
Another fish pattern from my vice who I gong to chase sea trout whit.
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Robert MacDonald-Lewis on 19/06/2017 at 12:07
One for the lochs:
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 25/06/2017 at 12:20
Some stunning flies there guys
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Liam Stephen on 19/08/2017 at 15:03
Top fly for 2017. This seasons have been well and truly shredded. I've made a start on next years ammo.  :z18


(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/2193-190817150310.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4550)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 20/08/2017 at 10:53
Nice :z16
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Jeff Donovan on 23/08/2017 at 00:59
Oh yes! I'll take 2 dozen...  :lol
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Robert MacDonald-Lewis on 26/08/2017 at 12:02
A little something a a trip next month.
(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/958-260817120204.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4559)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Robert MacDonald-Lewis on 30/08/2017 at 22:12
Thought I should tie up at least a couple hours of these:


(https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/gallery/958-300817221241.jpeg) (https://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=4577)
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Mike Barrio on 30/08/2017 at 22:49
Nice, very nice  :z12
Title: Re: Tying Season 2016/17
Post by: Allan Liddle on 10/09/2017 at 08:37
Like them yins  :cool: