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Index => Main Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mike Barrio on 26/11/2015 at 16:38
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I see in the local newspaper that:
A meeting will be held at Leys Hotel in Blackburn on Monday November 30th at 7pm in hope of getting people involved in the Kintore Angling Club and to help save the area's fishing.
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Thats excellent news, its important for all in the local angling community to be given the opportunity to pull together with the best interests of the local water at heart.
Best of luck to all those involved with the Kintore fishings
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I can't manage that due to work. I would however like to get in touch with the folks who are organising it to let them know I will join.
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Here is a map of the fishing's if anyone is not sure of where the Kintore fishing's are...buts up to the ADAA water on the left bank.
http://92.52.88.74/parks/kintore.pdf
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Am surprised this has not had more exposure on here considering the amount of local anglers that visit this site, are they not exactly the kind of people they are trying to attract.
I cant imagine the organisers not knowing about this site. You type in River Don fishing in Google and this site pops up.
Seems strange to me,
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It would appear very unfortunate that a similar open meeting has not been proposed in respect of the Inverurie Burgh fishings.
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It would appear very unfortunate that a similar open meeting has not been proposed in respect of the Inverurie Burgh fishings.
Im sure there are some on here that post, or even browse, that could perhaps enlighten us to why that wasnt the case., however being an open public forum i doubt that will be established.
Meeting ....yes there was, open .... certainly not.
I hope Inverurie and Kintore fishings remain with the local angling clubs
I
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Aye here's hoping both beats stay with the clubs. What is worrying though is the lack of junior anglers I fished a lot this season with a council roving ticket and never seen one school kid fishing on any beat.
That is not good. Wasn't like that back when I was a kid mind you I didn't have a mobile,ipad. Playstation. All I had was a 5 speed push bike. Trout fly rod, spinning rod for salmon and a air rifle. Changed days i guess.
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Aye here's hoping both beats stay with the clubs. What is worrying though is the lack of junior anglers I fished a lot this season with a council roving ticket and never seen one school kid fishing on any beat.
That is not good. Wasn't like that back when I was a kid mind you I didn't have a mobile,ipad. Playstation. All I had was a 5 speed push bike. Trout fly rod, spinning rod for salmon and a air rifle. Changed days i guess.
Catty, toy gun and some caps....
There was one young lad ive seen fishing Inverurie a few times this season, lucky of he was academy age. Fished the fly as well which was good to see, im probably second younget at 41......
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I thought this is an Aberdeenshire council beat, anyone can get a ticket for it. Is this correct? Is it going to be a private club beat? Cheers.
Mark
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Did anybody go to the meeting last night?
Cheers
Mike
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As above post Mike, not sure where the private clubs fit in on council beats. There were a few cryptic comments made about the meetings am still not in the loop as to what it's all about. Perhaps someone can explain the situation as I think there are a few others a little bit confused.
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Hi Colin and Mark,
To cut a long story short ...........
Aberdeenshire Council would like local angling clubs to manage their fishings in Kintore, Inverurie and Alford.
If a local club is not able or willing to take over the running of the fishings, the water may possibly be offered to a club from further afield.
Cheers
Mike
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Thanks Mike,
Must have missed that information if it was posted on here.
But would syndicate run clubs not be over priced , open to a minority not the majority.
Am assuming that the council fishing fees numbers are down year on year and it's costing them more in up keep than fees taken in. So I don't see this being a viable option for any non profit making club.
Perhaps it would be better to be obsorb ed into a bigger orginisation like ADAA.
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Thanks Mike,
Must have missed that information if it was posted on here.
But would syndicate run clubs not be over priced , open to a minority not the majority.
Am assuming that the council fishing fees numbers are down year on year and it's costing them more in up keep than fees taken in. So I don't see this being a viable option for any non profit making club.
Perhaps it would be better to be obsorb ed into a bigger orginisation like ADAA.
The Scottish Carp Group run Lanark Loch on behalf of Lanarkshire Council in what I presume would be a similar setup.
Basically, if you are an SCG member, you can fish the loch anytime, 24 hours a day. If you are not a member, you can get a day ticket that allows daylight fishing only, and this money goes to the council.
The benefits the council gets is that there is someone on the water pretty mush all the time, and there are two club bailiffs that look after it. The SCG get a water for a very low rent where they can hold events etc.
I would presume a local club taking it over would get either cheap or free fishing on the understanding that day tickets were made available to anyone asking.
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I would presume a local club taking it over would get either cheap or free fishing on the understanding that day tickets were made available to anyone asking.
Without all the facts that would seem, on the face of it, a reasonable assumption.
However, I imagine that the council would be looking to rid itself pass on all of the costs associated with the fishings. So anyone taking on that water would be liable for all of the costs so whilst the rent might be a token amount the other costs might be significantly higher (levy etc).
It's interesting to me that the council should take this action to presumably free up monies in a way to reduce their costs but, as I'm no longer a tax paying resident of Aberdeenshire, I'll leave asking the questions about the council appearing to be indulging in some sort of fishing divestment to those of you who are directly affected :wink
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Yes, very much so Hamish.
I attended the Inverurie Angling Association discussion on this topic at the recent AGM. I'm now looking forward to what should hopefully be a positive outcome ( in the case of the Inverurie Fishings ) for all interested parties.
Cheers
Mike
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I see on page 5 of the P&J newspaper today, under the heading of 'Cost of fishing frozen', that Aberdeenshire Council have got the ball rolling on proposals to lease the local authority's fishings to the Kintore Angling Group and the Inverurie Angling Association :z16
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Am not sure there will be a good outcome for average Joe Blog and his mates wanting to fish there.
But then there has been no information on the intentions of the private clubs posted anywhere to make an assessment on what there plans are and how they intend to charge for day tickets or if they will be available to Joe blogs at all,
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Hi Colin,
I understand your concerns, but I think you'll find that the local clubs have stepped up for just those very reasons and that they have the interests of local anglers at heart :wink
Cheers
Mike
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It's funny that you should describe these as "private clubs" Colin, I think of them as quite the opposite.
I joined Inverurie Angling Association back in the 1980s and am still a member now. I joined the club to become part of the local fishing community and I continue to see my membership in that way today. At only £20 per year, I don't really understand why any local angler would not want to be part of that community.
Perhaps anglers' perceptions of clubs has changed over the years? As some of the bigger clubs throughout the UK have 'gobbled up' fishing beats, to which you can gain access when you pay a few hundred pounds for your 'club membership', I think rather than joining a club as a community, anglers are perhaps thinking of club membership as a season ticket nowadays?
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Perhaps it's the syndicates within clubs that are more insidious in nature, or are seen as private clubs ???
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Perhaps it's the syndicates within clubs that are more insidious in nature, or are seen as private clubs ???
Yes, I would agree with that Hamish ....... Good point :z16
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PS: If anybody is not a member of Inverurie Angling Association and would like to join ....... you can get an application form from the Watson's Ironmongers shop in the square and it is a straight forward process :cool:
Does anybody that attended the Kintore meeting know what the process for joining is there?
Cheers
Mike
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I notice that Aberdeenshire Council are once again advertising fishing permits for the 2016 season at the same cost as last year.
Presumably,this means that any of the potential lease holder changes will have to wait till next season?
Duncan
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Hi Duncan,
Yes, as I understand it, any successful proposals would result in the changes taking place for the 2017 season.
Cheers
Mike
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Mike,
Thanks for the Info, and Side Notes :z16 :z16
Looking forward to seeing what happen next year for IAA,
Colin
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kintore angling club trout fishing kintore limited permits £50 2016 season under 15 yearolds free tel neill 01467632538
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Hi Neill .......... Welcome to the forum :z16
Let's see if I have understood your post correctly? I am not 100% familiar with the layout of the Kintore Fishings ...... and it looks like you are posting from a phone without any comma and full stop keys :z4
Aberdeenshire Council have not renewed their lease for salmon fishing on the 'Crown Fishings' section of what is currently known as the 'Kintore Fishings', but they still own the 1 mile stretch on the Golf Course bank of the river?
Kintore Angling Club will take over the running of the 1 mile stretch on the Golf Course bank of the river in 2017 ( or did you mean the 'Crown Fishings' section? ) and will have a limited number of trout fishing permits available ( for club members only ) at £50 per season and junior club members under 15 yrs will be able to fish for free.
Telephone Neill on 01467 632538 for more details.
It is great that you have posted this useful information :z16 ...... But please correct me if I have misunderstood your post Neill ....... and clarify which section will be run by Kintore Angling Club in 2017.
I know that Inverurie Angling Association are planning to offer open access to permits for the Inverurie Fishings, as per the current availability from Aberdeenshire Council. From your post, it looks like this is not what Kintore Angling Club are planning, which is somewhat surprising.
Best wishes
Mike
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I'm lost :z10
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Yes, sorry Neill ...... I'm afraid I'm lost too :z8
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kintore have only 1 kilometre salmon fishing left, as council have given up the lease for crown fishings
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Ringing in my ears Mike but I think our fist private club has just surfaced. It's a shame they have adopted that policy an am surprised the council would not have stipulated an open permit policy.
Again looking on with interest . P's nout wrong with my phone full stops ....
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I'm not sure that that's the case Colin ..... reading through the lines, I think Neill might be trying to tell us that Kintore Angling Club can offer trout fishing permits for the current 2016 season ( for club members only ) on the 'Crown Fishings' beat/section of the river?
Is this what you meant Neill?
Best wishes
Mike
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yes mike thanks. kintore angling club membership £5 tel 01467632538.
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Hi Neill
Thanks for the info.
A real pity,some cracking Salmon/Sea trout water lost.
Any word if anyone has taken on the Salmon rights yet?
Duncan
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Sorry to complicate matters further but as far as I am aware the club would be required to have trout permits available to the general public under the terms of the river Don Protection Order.
The council also used to pay compensation to the farmers bordering the river in a deal to stop them selling trout permits, which they would be entitled to do. Do not know how this will be resolved now.
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Sorry to complicate matters further but as far as I am aware the club would be required to have trout permits available to the general public under the terms of the river Don Protection Order.
Good point Mike :z16
Although I would imagine that very few anglers would want a day permit at say £15 for example ......... if the season permit were only £50 + £5 club membership ......... but the option should be offered to satisfy the terms of the River Don Brown Trout Protection Order.
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yes mike thanks. kintore angling club membership £5 tel 01467632538.
I'm still lost :z8
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Alternatively offer a new pair of wellies to the farmer and get on for free 😆😆😆
Interpreting what has been said already I would say you were spot on their.mike
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Which Mike? ( redfish Mike? ) ......... Don't start confusing things Colin :X1
Life would be so much easier if everybody used their real names on the forum instead of 'Usernames'.
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kintore angling club will sell daily and weekly permits for 2017 season.
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Alternatively offer a new pair of wellies to the farmer and get on for free 😆😆😆
Interpreting what has been said already I would say you were spot on their.mike
have you seen the damage caused by the fiooding. kintore angling club will help this farmer pay for fences.
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Aberdeenshire Council indicated that they would not be increasing permit prices this season due to poor salmon runs on the Don last year. Please correct me if I am wrong, but since two thirds of the water at Kintore [including some of the best pools] will not be available to Council permit holders this season, would it be reasonable to expect that the permit price should be reduced accordingly ? There is no harm in living in hope.
May I take this opportunity to again raise the question asked by Duncan. ie. Does anyone know what is happening with the Crown water at Kintore ?
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the crown are asking £3750 per season. plus £4000 assessment to salmon river board. kintore angling club can not afford this. ps lease says only 5 anglers at any one time .kintore angling club have the trout fishing.
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Thanks for that Neill.. Much appreciated.
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Does anyone know where to get a salmon permit for the crown water this coming season?
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Hi Redfish
Yes,I agree that the permit price should be reduced due to the loss of good water.
I have also heard that the Alford Waters are up for lease and that the Council are looking to sell the beat if they can.
I usually buy a Roving ticket but will hold back this year until i know exactly what is happening.
Duncan
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No change until 2017 as far as I know. Plenty Time to find out exactly what's what. I heard Haughton caravan park may take on the Alford beats but that's just river bank gossip and could well be wrong. Seems Kintore AC are only taking on the LHB beat surely that would be for Salmon trout and sea trout.
I will wait for Kintore AC to set up a Facebook Page with full information before deciding next year. Disappointed in losing the rover ticket ln 2017 but a guess the council are skint and the fishing is running at a lose.
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crown fishing up for lease .
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crown fishing up for lease .
Fit like Neill a was bletheren tae you today at Kintore.
Lucky a was not caught poaching on the other side lol :z4 :z4 . Joking apart tho the council am sure said in the P and J they were freezing the price of a permit and there would be no change until 2017 a mibees picked it up wrong am good at that. Any way you think yer getting a good deal but not so when you realize the council have already given up the right hand bank.
Trust the council not to highlight that in the website when ye renew yer permit :mad :mad
Just as well a fished the Golfer side today.
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Hi ivdffs
Yes,the Council should be highlighting this major change to the fishings before people buy their permits.
There were at least two fishers on the Crown Estate waters this morning who probably didn't know anything about the change.
Duncan
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Looking ahead to next year ...... If not a member already, I think now would be an ideal time for all those interested in their local waters to join their local angling club :z17
Join your local club ( it's only going to cost about £20 for IAA ) and give your club your thoughts on what you think would be the best way forward. This is easy to do via email to the secretary and by attending meetings like the AGM ......... I have put forward my thoughts on the topic to the IAA and I'm confident that these have been taken into consideration.
Rather than waiting to see what 'they' might do with regard to the management of your local water, turn that 'they' into a 'we' :wink
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I think this where IAA need to get slick and start to look at advertising there existence on a website to the masses so that people can resond to there intentions. Electronic membership forum as people are generally lazy and don't want to be running around chasing this down. How exactly do they intent to sell permits when people don't even know who they are.
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Good points Colin ............. join the club and propose them. I am willing to set up a page and a members forum if the club would like one.
To join ........ ask for an application form at Watsons Ironmongers in the square.
Best wishes
Mike
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Mike
IAA search on Google brings up this page Last update 2008 :X1 :X1
http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/ardmurdo-keithhall-fishings.html
Am no webpage Tech but am sure this could be updated with the all the relevant information that is required and download page for an application form,
Paypal could be introduced, or Postal Order if your still in the dark ages. or the pigeon from whacky races.
People these days work from the internet and in the comfort of there own home, with there I-Pad or phone and a biccy Cuppa tea/ Coffee, if its not at the end of there nose then they won't bother or go somewhere else (myself Included)
My intention is to Join the IAA sooner rather than later .
Col
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Joining IAA online line may also help reduce road rage driving through the rurie traffic :z4 :z4
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I should have deleted that page a while back Colin :oops it is no longer linked to from the website as it is out of date.
I'll produce a new page when I have up to date information.
Thanks for that,
Mike
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Opps Foot in now :z14 :z8 :z16 Did I tell you recently what a grand Job your doing on the Website :z16
Joining IAA online line may also help reduce road rage driving through the rurie traffic :z4 :z4
Oh man it's mad, :z8
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Opps Foot in now :z14 :z8 :z16 Did I tell you recently what a grand Job your doing on the Website :z16
Not at all Colin :z4 I'm pleased that you pointed that out :z16 ....... that page was out of date and shouldn't have been available to browse, I've deleted it now.
Cheers
Mike
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kintore angling club like us on facebook
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I have done so, but get some more pics up :! :!
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Here is a link for the Boat Farm Fishings permit Conditions for 2016
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v0k6byf9fze76kh/KAC%202016%20Brown-trout-fishing-permit-conditions.pdf?dl=0