Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Tackle Talk => Topic started by: Rob Brownfield on 19/07/2012 at 10:08
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http://vimeo.com/chrome/circa
Sage had produced a "new" rod that replicates the action of bamboo/fibreglass rods but using fast revovery, high tech carbon.
Nice!!
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From the press release
"The CIRCA rod collection will be available through Sage specialty dealers in August and September for a retail price ranging from $745 to $775."
OMG :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock
Now I bet the rod is stunning and will feel good in the hand but FFS, HOW MUCH!?!?!?
With the current fishing exchange rate of $1 = £1 this rod better be the greatest thing since Helios to have a chance.
"I've been designing rods for 27 years" says Jerry. Jerry me old mate, we've moved on a bit...
Still want a throw though! :z4
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OMG :shock :shock :shock :shock :shock
But how much does a bamboo cane cost..$1000+ ;)
Hardy even had a fiberglass rod out not that long ago for £500..how that was justified I do not know...lol
At todays exchange rate, its around £475..which puts it in the same bracket as a lot of other top end rods, so not that bad...if you have the money :)
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But how much does a bamboo cane cost..$1000+
I am now waiting for the inevitable "wangy noodle shit" comments from a certain faction! :z4 :z4 :z4
I really would love to try one just to see what Sage are on about.
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so someone is redesigning my fishing once again, whats that all about? I have been through Cane, glass ,and Carbon fibre so now we are at the stage were we have come in a full circle but more advanced, no, I am quite happy with the technology we have, I like my 3& 4weight rods, they do every thing I ever want,and at $700+ dollars its more than I wish to invest , I would prefer to spend the money on quality fishing, but then, I am going to the US later this year I may, only may, be tempted, from a purely scientific point of view ye ken, :X2 easgach 1
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want one :X2
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Thought Jim was in Poland :wink
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Thought Jim was in Poland :wink
Never step in the same river twice can you.
Each time the river hurries on.
Each time he that steps has changed.
Yoda
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Sage had produced a "new" rod that replicates the action of bamboo/fibreglass rods but using fast revovery, high tech carbon.
Hang on a minute..... wasn't the point of putting nice new high modulus carbon (and such) into rods so we could have better recovery in blanks, better casting rods etc etc ???
By their very nature fibreglass rods and split cane rods are 'wangy noodly shit' why on earth would you want to replicate that with modern materials :?
Sounds like an expensive waste of time to me, but I dare say there will shortly be a greater demand for silk fly lines, horse hair furled leaders and 'gut' for leader material again. Nostalgia.... it isn't what I remember it to be.
H :z3
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Hang on a minute..... wasn't the point of putting nice new high modulus carbon (and such) into rods so we could have better recovery in blanks, better casting rods etc etc ???
By their very nature fibreglass rods and split cane rods are 'wangy noodly shit' why on earth would you want to replicate that with modern materials :?
Sounds like an expensive waste of time to me, but I dare say there will shortly be a greater demand for silk fly lines, horse hair furled leaders and 'gut' for leader material again. Nostalgia.... it isn't what I remember it to be.
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WTF! I'm actually going to agree with Hamish :z4
I'm struggling to get the whole story with making a rod that casts like an old wooden / glass thing but recovers well. Those glass / wooden rods didn't recover well so this is either going to be wangy noodle shit or it will recover well and be crisp and be nothing like those old wobbly things. Will have to cast one to see which it is ???
Ben
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I bet it's the crisp/good recovery thing Ben. I'm hoping for an updated ZXL - which could be special.
Those videos are great at spending 3 minutes telling you absolutely nothing - in slow motion.
I'd really like someone to explain the Konnetic technology thing. Accuracy comes from the caster, not the rod IMHO.
I agree, if it's not wangy and wobbly, then it's nothing like cane.
W.
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Ben/Hamish,
I think the point is that the rod allows more relaxed casting, with the rod doing all the work and timing not being so critical. On top of that, with the more fuller flex the length of line outside the tip is not so critical.
I still favour cane or glass rods when floater fishing for carp as the flex of the rod allows light baits that dont load the rod to be cast further. So, replace the light bait with a short length of fly line and you have the same problem, the rod not loading fully, but still being able to cast.
Just a thought...
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Sounds like an expensive waste of time to me, but I dare say there will shortly be a greater demand for silk fly lines, horse hair furled leaders and 'gut' for leader material again. Nostalgia.... it isn't what I remember it to be.
H :z3
Ahhhhh so that's what Tenkara is all about :z4 :z4 :X2
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I think the point is that the rod allows more relaxed casting, with the rod doing all the work and timing not being so critical. On top of that, with the more fuller flex the length of line outside the tip is not so critical.
I don't know if it would be more relaxed Rob. Slower.... yes. Relaxed :? Hmmmm.
To be honest I suspect that timing will be as critical with wangy noodly shit as it would be with anything else.
I don't buy into this at all - you can probably tell..... :z7
To me it smacks of nostalgia for the hell of it, filling a niche that really doesn't need to be filled.
I still favour cane or glass rods when floater fishing for carp as the flex of the rod allows light baits that dont load the rod to be cast further. So, replace the light bait with a short length of fly line and you have the same problem, the rod not loading fully, but still being able to cast.
I'm going to sort of nick something from Will here. The ability lies with the caster making the best of their equipment and matching their equipment and casting to the task at hand. Now I'm fully prepared to take moderate flak on this, but I simply don't see that this new rod will fill a void that needs to be filled.
It's not the answer.... better casting is.
H :z3
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I'm hoping for an updated ZXL - which could be special.
W.
Dude, you're getting old, £50 quid for your TCR5? :z4
I think the point is that the rod allows more relaxed casting, with the rod doing all the work and timing not being so critical. On top of that, with the more fuller flex the length of line outside the tip is not so critical. (http://I think the point is that the rod allows more relaxed casting, with the rod doing all the work and timing not being so critical. On top of that, with the more fuller flex the length of line outside the tip is not so critical.)
Thing is, the rod doesn't actually do any work (well very very little), it is the person holding the rod, operating the lever that does the work.
Ben
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with the more fuller flex the length of line outside the tip is not so critical
Surely it would be more critical, as would the timing? If you have ten feet or forty feet outside the tip the stroke length has to vary and with a softer rod like this one the timing of the pause on the back stroke must surely be really critical. Could a rod of this nature actually hold up a long line or is it just for the short stuff?
I also notice in the video that there aren't that many tight loops, but there are a lot of big open ones.
No thanks...
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Surely it would be more critical, as would the timing? If you have ten feet or forty feet outside the tip the stroke length has to vary and with a softer rod like this one the timing of the pause on the back stroke must surely be really critical. Could a rod of this nature actually hold up a long line or is it just for the short stuff?
I also notice in the video that there aren't that many tight loops, but there are a lot of big open ones.
No thanks...
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Euan,
It is possible to carry a long line with most rods providing you increase arc & stroke to match the bend, there's not many rods that can't be made to carry long with a 170 stroke. Recovery apart, it is the caster who creates the loops not the rod as some (T&S) magazine reviews would have you believe, again if the tip is made to travel near straight whilst the rod is accelerated then the loop will be tight.
Cheers
Ben
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I get that Ben, but would timing not be a bit more critical with a softer rod doing a 170?
With a tippy rod I find line control easier and the line (usually) goes exactly where I want it to with almost no effort but with my Greys wangy noodle I really have to work on the stop point so that the softness carries through to where the tip has to be to put the back cast where I want it to go. By that I mean that with a tippy rod I can stop it at say 2.00 and the tip will not move much from there but with the bamboo I may have to stop at 1.00 so that the tip carries on to 2.00 to put the line in the same place.
This of course might just all be horse pucky but that's how it seems to me. I had a similar issue with the Scott which ended up with me trying to add power to the strokes in order to compensate. Bad technique I know but that's all gone away now that I have my 2 Access rods. Maybe just me... :X2
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Ahhhh...you are all like modern Carp anglers...stiff rods, long casts, but the fish are normally under your feet and a bit of stealth and a delicate short cast will catch you plenty ;)
It is strange that some of you picked up on it being no good for distance casting. Its not designed for that, its designed for fishing :)
I have found that my softer rods are far easier to cast "fishing" distances than faster rods. If fishing my "faster" rods I find myself overlining to get the rod to work at shorter distances as the damn things don't load otherwise.
I still say a more through action rod 9and a heavier rod) flexes easier and therefore casting "fishing" distances is easier for us mear mortals. Tiz of for you casting Gods, but us lot need as much help from the rod as we can get :)
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Now here's a thing Rob.
The last time Hamish and I fished Loch Assynt, down at the river mouth at the east end the wind was blowing like a bandit and H was on the oars and pulling like a Viking. I was standing in the bow and making short casts.
My "stiff" Access 104 was really happy doing 15 to 20 foot casts (line trapped under index finger of the casting hand, line drawn back, rolled out and direction changed in the air). Now that was fun! Cast, draw, roll, cast. The rod did it all really well. In fact a softer rod would have made it harder - the crisper rod fired the roll easier in the wind, drew the line in better in the stiff breeze (!) and afforded better line control.
From a tube the rod is even better but that's a different story.... :z4
And an SLX helps... :z4 :z4
Some stiff rods fish too... :z4 :z4 :z4
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I have a "stiff" 7 weight access too..and a stiff Helios..and stiff ZG's...but compared to other stiff rods..they are not stiff at all..lol
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There you go, not a stiff rod between us.... :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
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