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Title: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: danbruce on November 28, 2011, 17:17:57 PM
Right guys, i know that it is best to try before you buy but was just wondering if someone could point me in a general direction.

I will be hopefully joining the ADAA for this coming season (can't come quick enough) and i am looking to buy a rod to fill the gap between my 3 wt and my 6 wt.

The 3 wt is a 9' custom made rod made on a harrison blank which i love.
The 6 wt is a 9' 6" shakey travel fly rod.

Was looking for what would be a good starting point to try for a 4/5 wt rod?
Would have a budget of up to 150 possibly 200 at a push.

Cheers, :z18

Dan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Sandy Nelson on November 28, 2011, 17:37:09 PM
Watch ebay for a decent bargain :z16

That Budget should bag you a really nice rod.

I guess if you have a 9ft6" 6wt then you'd be better with a 9ft 5wt to fill the gap in your rods, although i don't see much of a gap to fill, the 3wt will cope with almost everything the river throws at you unless the wind is blowing, then a 5 would be handy.
I prefer to fish off 4's these days as it saves me carrying too many rods about it kinda bridges the best of both worlds (still love my 3's as well though)

Brands and models would depend on personal choice, but Winston, Scott, Sage, Orvis should all crop up on ebay for the budget.

How do you like your rods??

Sandy
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: danbruce on November 28, 2011, 17:49:40 PM
Cheers for the reply Sandy.

have been looking on ebay the last few days and have seen a few tempting rods, but will do a bit of looking around before i decide.

Pretty new to fly fishing, next seaon will be my second year, loved using my 3# towards the end of this season can fish all day with it no problem.

As for how i like my rods i guess i havent really used that many to say what is my ideal rod is, length, action ect...
Not really needing to be casting any more than 30ft or so, so anything that will suit delicate short to medium casting when it's a little windy.
Pretty vauge i know but just looking for a few suggestions to try before i decide what i'll do at the start of next year.

Dan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Sandy Nelson on November 28, 2011, 17:59:06 PM
I reckon you might surprise yourself with just how far you may be casting :wink
If you are fishing the Don, then 50ft casts are pretty common, you probably don't even realise you are doing it.
30-50ft would probably be about right.
Difficult to suggest products as we all like different things, the trick is to try a few. not so easy to do i know but worth finding out.
If we get an Outcasts day organised for the winter that would be a good start and then take it from there :z16

Cheers

Sandy
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: danbruce on November 28, 2011, 18:04:41 PM
Thanks again Sandy,

Might pester a few of the guys that i kow to let me have a try of what they use and see what suits me.
If there is an outcasts day during the winter let me know, would be very interested in coming along.

Cheers,

Dan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Loxiafan on November 28, 2011, 20:58:14 PM
Hi Dan,

Although I have often been accused of being a gear slut (especially where guitars are concerned) if I were you I'd keep your 200 to soften the ADAA joining fee (county membership for you ?) !

If you are planning on mainly fishing dries I think your 9 foot 3wt should be okay - wind is as much a problem with a 3 or a 4 wt I would think, though a five would possibly make some difference.

Your 6wt would do on windy days or for targetting Sea Trout. Have you tried "underlining" it with a five 5 wt line to see how it feels ? Maybe try a Barrio GT90 #5 if you are wanting to fish "lighter" on that rod ??

I used a 10 foot 4 weight Streamflex XF2 all last season - dries, spiders, nymphs etc I just compromised and got on with it. I used different lines though, Barrio GT90 was really good for short work, and ironically I found a Mastery DT better for distance (loaded that particular rod more smoothly with more line out). Regarding distance, for me anything over 45 feet (15m) and my conversion of sucessful hook ups landed drops, unless I can keep line off the water and fish from stripping too much out, but that is maybe just me. Two or 3 rod lengths all the way if I can but as Sandy says you'll often find fish much further out, sometimes closer to the other bank. I just leave them and stalk those in those in 'my' range. Jeremy Lucas defines the optimum range as 6 to 10 m, though not everyone appears to agree with him !

I was going to get a 9 foot 4 wt for next season for dries, and may still, but after speaking to John Walker yesterday I am inspired to just stick with the one set up and continue to 'make it work' - the man uses gear older than me and only a couple of fly patterns and still catches more than me. That is a lesson !

Hope to see you out and about in 2012 !

Cheers,

Lindsay
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: danbruce on November 29, 2011, 19:49:49 PM
Sound advice as usual Lindsay. Well i am in the process of moving into aberdeen so will be a city membership rather that a country one.

Might just work away with my 3wt and 6 wt with various lines and see what i can achive.
The new season can not come quick enough i really looking forward to my first proper season.
Would be good to catch up with you on the river sometime to pick your brains for some info and spend sometime fishing.

Will keep you all updated if i do decide to buy something new.

Thanks again Lindsay and Sandy.

Dan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Loxiafan on November 29, 2011, 20:55:50 PM
Hi Dan,

Great news about ADAA membership - remember you can now pay the joining fee over two years as well ( I couldn't and had to pay 500 !).

I think you will be fine with the 3 wt and especially as you seem to really like it. You could still fish spiders and even czech nymph with it too.

If I go for a new rod it will be a Streamflex XF2 9'  #4. The Streamflex's are 'marmite' rods and really come in for some stick from some quarters. I love my 10 foot, great feel and very responsive, but a 9 footer would give me more control with dries ( I think). As a new ADAA member you will possibly get a 15% discount card for Somers, Orvis, Bains so worth waiting until then - I got quite a bit of my XF2 from Somers and the guys there were really helpful swaying me from the gimicky (and more expensive) Streamflex plus.

Cheers,

Lindsay

PS the only thing you'll learn from me is how not to cast, fish etc   :z4
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Peter McCallum on November 29, 2011, 21:11:17 PM
If you can get discount from orvis have a wee peek at the access rods very nice for the price!
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: danbruce on November 29, 2011, 21:47:05 PM
Sure i'd learn more than that Lindsay.
Thanks for letting me know that i might be able to get discount once i am a member.

Rabbitangler will have a look at the access if i decide to take the plunge for something new.

Might also speak to Mr Barrio about getting some of his highly regarded fly lines. :z16

Dan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Rob Brownfield on November 30, 2011, 17:57:35 PM
If you like your Harrison it would not be impossible to get someone on here (loads to choose from these days :)) to build you another of the length and weight you want for around 200 or less

Infact a quick search of my suppliers site shows Harrison Traditional blanks for 64, Harrison Ballistas, which are a bit crisper than the T range at 80 and Harrison top of the range Lohric blanks for 129 or other US manufacture blanks starting at 53.

Go on, jump aboard the rod building train :) You know you want too.
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: danbruce on December 01, 2011, 19:28:42 PM
Never though of that option Rob quite like that idea.

Having looked at some of the pictures of the custom built rods shown on the forum they certainly look the mutts nuts. :z14

Guess i have more to think about now than i thought, tweek what i already have, buy new online/tackle shop or look into getting something made........... :z8

At least i have a while till the season starts to think about it.

Dan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Ewan Lindsay on December 03, 2011, 03:41:23 AM
...guitars? :shock Guitars...  :grin! I'm a guitar tart too Lindsay. Come on spill the beans; what have you got? :z12

Ewan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Euan Innes on December 03, 2011, 17:48:45 PM
...guitars? :shock Guitars...  :grin! I'm a guitar tart too Lindsay. Come on spill the beans; what have you got? :z12

Ewan

Me too.
Come on out with it. Just stand up and say "my name is....and I'm a guitar slut and a tackle tart".

I'll start.
Tanglewood Folk Rosewood reserve acoustic
Fender Strat
Fender Tele
Ibanez black acoustic
cheap classical nylon string
Fender Deluxe amp (heavily customised, man you would not believe how customised!  :z16)

The only thing is that since I got the Tanglewood, the rest have hardly been touched  :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4

So come on, spill!

 :z1

Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Ewan Lindsay on December 03, 2011, 23:53:11 PM
 :z3 Nice Euan.

My toys are:

Gibson Les Paul Custom
Gibson SG Standard
Gibson SG Special (Pete Townsend sig model)
Fender Stratocaster (in paisley pink - my Hendrix fetish!)
Rickenbacker 360 12 string
Yamaha SC800 with Kahler Flyer Tremelo
Gretsch Jet Fireglow (Malcolm Young sig model)
Martin D-14
Martin O-16 NY
Yamaha 12 string acoustic
 And my pride and joy:
1967 Gibson SG Special (they just don't make them like that anymore)
Marshall JCM800

Ewan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: danbruce on December 04, 2011, 00:10:16 AM
Thats an impressive list of guitars. :z16

Surprised you get any fishing done with all that toys at home to play with. :grin

Dan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Rob Brownfield on December 04, 2011, 00:12:55 AM
Pah...Guitars??? Nothing compared to my collection of drum sticks!!!  :z4
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Loxiafan on December 04, 2011, 02:02:14 AM
...guitars? :shock Guitars...  :grin! I'm a guitar tart too Lindsay. Come on spill the beans; what have you got? :z12
Ewan

I think you have me beat there. Have sold some of the babies over the years including my prized Ibanez Jem 777. List at the mo is something like:

Gibson Les Paul Traditional 2009
Fender American Standard 1986 (my "No.1" )
Fender USA Highway One Strat 2004
Custom Ibanez (made to my own specs), basically a RG550 with Jem Neck and Custom pickups
PRS Santana SE II
Protone Squier Fat Telecaster 1996
1985 Ibanez Steel String (strung in Nashville Tuning)
Ridgewood Six String (surprisingly good)
Freshman 12 String Acoustic
1992 Rodriguez Model D Classical Guitar
Aria bass

For amps:

1986 or 87 Marshall JCM800 100 Watt Combo
Fender Deluxe Reverb Resissue (no mods but use with THD Hotplate)
Marshall Valvestate 275 Combo (nuke proof/low maintenance)


..and about a zillion boutique overdrives and fuzzes (these are my real addiction...sorry I should say I really NEED them). Ridiculous really but then again I have the excuse of being a professional !  :X2

L

Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Ewan Lindsay on December 04, 2011, 03:27:51 AM
 :z3 Nice collection too Lindsay.

Some cracking amps too. Sounds like the same JCM800 as mine.

I have box of pedals I never use, the only one I do is an original 1967 Univox Superfuzz (I worship Townsend!) which cost me a fortune on eBay!!!

I must admit though, that I don't do any of this gear any justice, I am a bedroom guitarist with too much time on my hands (but I can hold my own on any AC/DC rythum track!).

Just to freak you and Soundmixer - my name is Ewan Lindsay...spooky eh?!

Great names think alike...

Ewan
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Euan Innes on December 04, 2011, 09:33:15 AM
You guys have way better toy boxes than me!  :z4

They only pedal that I have left is a little boost box that I made which is loosely based on a Dallas Rangemaster. It was the pedal that I most wanted but could never find, ever since I met Rory Gallagher. Now that was a drunken night!  :z18

I recently sold all the rest of my stompboxes to fund....
...An Orvis Access 104!! :grin (see how that gets us neatly back on topic  :wink)

And yes Ewan, that whole Euan, Euan, Lindsay thing is way too Twighlight Zone for me. For the younger audience, Twighlight Zone has nothing to do with gay vampires that "sparkle"...

 :z1
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Sandy Nelson on December 04, 2011, 09:46:54 AM
All those guitars.....................

Makes me feel much better about my tackle tart tendancies  :z12

Thank you :z18

Sandy :z4 :z4
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Iain Cameron on December 04, 2011, 10:49:40 AM
Ridiculous really but then again I have the excuse of being a professional !  :X2

L

that's a lot of wood & string.
life's a lot easier as a bass player. fender jazz bass, gig with it all the time. perfectly simple, job done.
i,
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Iain Cameron on December 04, 2011, 10:51:30 AM
Pah...Guitars??? Nothing compared to my collection of drum sticks!!!  :z4

hey rob,  what do you call an idiot who hangs about with musicians?

... the drummer

ah, it's funny cos it's true... :)

Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Loxiafan on December 04, 2011, 16:06:29 PM
that's a lot of wood & string.
life's a lot easier as a bass player. fender jazz bass, gig with it all the time. perfectly simple, job done.
i,

It's a mid-life crisis/boys collecting things Iain. 90% of my live playing 'career' (mid 80's onwards) was with a Fender Strat and Marshall amp, occasionally a chorus and delay (hey, it WAS the 80's afterall). From the 90's doon in Glesgae I only used an EQ (used as a gain boost) through the loop as a solo booster - that set up nearly blew up the King Tuts rig ( I can still see the sound guys face).

Loadsa 'bad' musician jokes:

Q. How many guitarists does it take to change a light bulb ?
A. Three. One to change it and two to look on and say" I could do it better/faster than that".

Q. What do you call someone who always wanted to learn the guitar, but didn't because it was too hard ?
A.  A Bass Player !

Q. How do you get a guitarist to stop playing ?
A. Stick some notation down in front of him and say "play that" !

My JCM 800 is sick - is Dennis Marshall down in Fife the only guy for fixing ? Or is there anyone up here ?

To bring it on topic I was in Somers yesterday oggling at all the nice Hardy rods !

Lindsay
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Hamish Young on December 04, 2011, 16:14:04 PM
To bring it on topic I was in Somers yesterday oggling at all the nice Hardy rods !

Don't worry, it's a passing phase and you'll soon feel better  :wink

Speak to Euan (soundmixer) about amps, I know he enjoys taking 'em apart and fixing 'em :z17

H  :z3
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Ben_D on December 04, 2011, 17:36:31 PM

Speak to Euan (soundmixer) about amps, I know he enjoys taking 'em apart and fixing 'em :z17

H  :z3

Really?  What's he like with HiFi amps?

Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Hamish Young on December 04, 2011, 17:46:33 PM
Really?  What's he like with HiFi amps?

Never asked him, but I very much doubt if it's beyond his technical skills  :cool:

H  :z3
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Derek Roxborough on December 04, 2011, 18:26:30 PM
What about Banjos, 6 in our house hold
  a John Grey  custom neck
 2 Savannahs one fretless
  a windsor whirle no 1
 2 home made  travel banjos, I am looking for a cello Banjo with a 14 inch head
 all 5 string , Oh and a  4wt 3pc daiwa Algonquin ( canada) bought from ebay for 10, from a guy in Montrose, as nice as rod as I have ever bought easgach 1
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Euan Innes on December 04, 2011, 18:32:22 PM
Lindsay,
PM me with the symptoms and I'll see what I can do.

Ben,
Same but I don't know if I can help. Might be cheaper to buy a new one

Iain,

How do you know the stage is level? The drummer drools from both sides of his mouth  :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4

Easgach,

Now that IS impressive. Never mind us wanky guitarists, hardcore banjo is awesome. Never could do the fingerpicking timing thing so always in awe of people who could  :z16

 :z1
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Ben_D on December 04, 2011, 18:55:38 PM

Ben,
Same but I don't know if I can help. Might be cheaper to buy a new one


Intermittent sound and crackle on one channel, I have a suspicion that it is something to do with the volume control (which is unfortunately motorised).  Was a fairly expensive bit of kit when I bought it about 10 years ago.

Goosed you think?

Ben
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Euan Innes on December 04, 2011, 20:09:07 PM
Probably.
What is it? How much was it? How big is your budget??

 :z1
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Rob Brownfield on December 04, 2011, 23:47:55 PM
hey rob,  what do you call an idiot who hangs about with musicians?

... the drummer

ah, it's funny cos it's true... :)



Ahem..I believe the joke goes, Whats deaf and dumb and hangs about bands...the drummer!..lol

I will have you know the two notes I have to remember for the snare are very difficult. I can never remember which one is fleft and which is right..lol. Add to that the noise of those bloody pipes and it becomes a whole lot harder :)
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Derek Roxborough on December 05, 2011, 21:55:36 PM
OH! soundmixer I play clawhammer, My wife is the better player putting in much more practice than I do, but then she doesnt fish or tie flies and I repair the banjos, but I play a bit and rebuild and repair, easgach 1
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Ray Dixon on April 18, 2017, 13:01:42 PM
Hi Ewan, I sent you a pm regarding one of your guitars. Love​ the Marshall 800. You're right about the old Gibson models. Cheers, Ray
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Derek Roxborough on April 18, 2017, 22:26:48 PM
I remember Taking my 3 wt up to a hill loch but the snag was that I had taken a reek with a 6 wt line on it so I used it wih no problems other than the rod felt slower but it cast well enough , and I caught fish so the day wasn't spoilt, Derek Roxborough
Title: Re: 4/5 wt Rods.
Post by: Rob Brownfield on April 19, 2017, 09:01:11 AM
I remember Taking my 3 wt up to a hill loch but the snag was that I had taken a reek with a 6 wt line on it so I used it wih no problems other than the rod felt slower but it cast well enough , and I caught fish so the day wasn't spoilt, Derek Roxborough

I use a 5 weight GT90 on my Sage XP 3 weight when fishing very close on the river. Allows the rod to load with only 10 feet of line out the tip.