Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Main Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mike Barrio on 24/01/2011 at 16:43
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Hi folks :cool:
If you were fishing at a loch stocked with rainbow trout and brown trout one day and you were going fishing on a wild loch the next ...... would you change your leader set up in any way? If so, how?
Cheers
Mike
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Mike
No I normally fish about a 10ft leader with one dropper, rarely fish 3 fly casts nowadays, generally in he Brownie season i would be using much the same flies as for the Rainbows.
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Jim
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This is one of these, it depends answers.
For bank fishing most likely not. Boat fishing, depends on the weather but if there is a good wave I would switch to a 3 fly set up with the typical loch style patterns. Lately, I have tended to use dries and nymphs for Žbows and browns.
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I have always used mono4-5lb for Wild Browns, and floro carbon for the Bows 6lb up the way. 3 fly cast for both :z16
Henry
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The answer for me is yes & no. If I happened to find myself fishing both days with identical methods over similar depth of water in similar conditions then the answer would be no but as I usually fish differently for rainbows and browns then the answer would have to be yes. Different methods / presentations / flies require a different leader set up IMO. so I would end up changing leader, almost certainly.
Generally I use a shop bought 12' 4x tapered leader for dries with 3' - 4' of fluoro tippet of required diameter for fly this may be stepped down if using micro patters. Pulling tradionals would mean a 7' tapered leader to 3x with 1' to first fly then about 3'6" between next two. Either 4x or 3x fluoro depending upon size of wave and fly. Leader make up for nymphing depends upon the depth I need to fish at and this will change on a particular water so certainly will change between two different fisheries but is not stocked / species specific. For me leader set up is dependent upon how I'm fishing and cannot really be pinned down to a water or type of fish.
Cheers
Ben
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Depends if I'm boat/bank fishing or tubing. If tubing I normally use two flies wild or stocked, more is just too much hassle. If I'm boating or banking on a big loch, well bigger than Haddo, i'll use 3 flies. bank fishing a small stillwater one or two flies.
Leaders.... I usually have a 5' furled leader on my line followed by level mono length depending on how many flies but ususlly about 10' for two flies.
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The only thing I would change would be the breaking strain
depending on the size of the rainbows I would use a tapered leader with a 6lb point
and for the wild fish either 3 or 4 lb tapered
3 flies to a cast where allowed
gordon
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Depends on what approach i'm fishing but generally i'd be fishing dries so two flees fur me.
But if short lining then a team of three (two bobs and an anchor nymph to start with) or buzzers then two flees again well spaced on a long leader and across wind swing.
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Some great replies :z16
No, it wouldn't be a case of stocked, wild, size or species for me either. The conditions on the day would guide me to my choice of fly ..... and I would then choose my leader set up to suit that fly, or team of flies.
Cheers
Mike
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Definite changes for me.
Stocked Rainbows or Browns it would be heavy nylon 6Lb and max two flies, large nymphs or lures. Quite often fish an intermediate rather than a floating line.
Wild Broonies floating line two or three fly set on a pulling wets basis 4lb Nylon or a dry with a small nymph point in calm conditions.
Sandy.
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Cunning plan Mike, I see what you are doing ;)
Two spools of identical mono, one says "Brown trout leader", the other "Rainbow leader". You can charge 3 times the price for the Brown trout stuff as its the "more refined" angler that fishes for them ;)
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Cunning plan Mike, I see what you are doing ;)
Two spools of identical mono, one says "Brown trout leader", the other "Rainbow leader". You can charge 3 times the price for the Brown trout stuff as its the "more refined" angler that fishes for them ;)
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Ahem, that would be me for the most part then, however i'll stick with my tried and tested over many many years (and troots) of Maxima Green 4lb fur the wild troots. Strong, robust, bit of give, non shiny and, best of all, cheap :z4
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Cunning plan Mike, I see what you are doing ;)
Two spools of identical mono, one says "Brown trout leader", the other "Rainbow leader". You can charge 3 times the price for the Brown trout stuff as its the "more refined" angler that fishes for them ;)
:z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
and 6 times as much for the pike stuff :z4 :z4 :z4
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The whole "Wild V Stocked" thing is quite funny on a personal level :oops
I remember back in the early 90s how I simply wouldn't entertain the idea of fishing at a stocked fishery, despite frequent invitations from my fishing buddies and the outings organised by my local angling club. I had read the magazines and seen the talk about fisheries on the internet .... the fishing would just be too easy and you have to use big bright flies like Baby Dolls, Vivas and Cats Whiskers :z6
Then we saw a big decline in sea trout on the Don and I felt guilty about keeping one for the pot, so one evening I decided to say yes to an invitation to go up to Loch Insch, as I fancied keeping a fish. I had a great time that evening, fishing to rises with size 16 Wingless Wickhams and my favourite wee sedge pattern ...... I was fishing with exactly the same kit as I used on the river and I've never looked back :wink
If you had told me in the early 90s that I would end up owning a stocked fishery, I would have found that absolutely hilarious! :z4
Cheers
Mike
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Ahem, that would be me for the most part then, however i'll stick with my tried and tested over many many years (and troots) of Maxima Green 4lb fur the wild troots. Strong, robust, bit of give, non shiny and, best of all, cheap :z4
Not another one :z4
I'll never understand how anyone who ties their own flies can invest time and effort in tying a nice looking well proportioned fly and then go tie it onto a piece of green or brown rope :z4
The only flies I've ever seen that deserve such treatment are either tied by blind kids in India or by Paul Arden!
Fluoro or clear rubbed down copoly for me every time.
Cheers
Ben
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Another thing that I have found over the years, is that the size of the water is important to me when it comes to making decisions about tactics :z3
If I am fishing a big wild loch or a big stocked fishery, I will tend to use much larger flies and experiment a lot more with depth.
If I am fishing on a well established small stillwater like Haddo, or the other local ones, I tend to think more like I would on a slow pool on the river, smaller flies in both dries and nymphs.
Does anybody else find themselves thinking more like a river angler when fishing a small stillwater?
Cheers
Mike
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If I am fishing on a well established small stillwater like Haddo, or the other local ones, I tend to think more like I would on a slow pool on the river, smaller flies in both dries and nymphs.
Does anybody else find themselves thinking more like a river angler when fishing a small stillwater?
Cheers
Mike
I find a #2 4x long conehead bugger works quite well on many slow pools on many rivers, I'm sure it would also take fish at Haddo, barbless of course and would probably also catch at other small waters :z4
Mike, there is a cross over between small stillwater & running water, general watercraft and thats about it IMO. From that point only my thinking is the same but methods other than ripping a streamer are not the same really and neither is the fishing for me.
Cheers
Ben
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Interesting thread this one.
How about sitting in a boat in the harbour, 3500 acres of water in front of you and having to make the choice between going for the stockies (Rainbows) or going for the native brown trout in the same place!!
Of course i'm talking about Loch Leven and this was a scenario I was faced with many times when I left the harbour and at one time that could be almost every day.
This topic could have 1000's of answers. The key aspects is to "try" and master is the conditions. Temp, light, wind, air pressure, wind direction, time of year, water temperature, where the fish are and at what depth they are feeding, what the average size is and this is only the start!! :z8
It was amazing how many times I thought to myself, right, i'm going for those rising browns we caught last night and during the day session we caught a bag of "Stockies" and not a Brownie to be seen.
This confirms my point, there are 1000's if not 1,000,000's of combinations to adapt and be successful but more often than not the same tactics will take both species. As far as i'm concerned, that is the fun of flyfishing. :z16
Paul
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Great reply Paul ..... I like threads with 1000's of answers and that is what the topic is all about :z16
Water temperature, light, wind, insects etc etc ..... are all part of the jigsaw and all part of the fun!
Best wishes
Mike
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I'm really lucky in that I get to watch anglers fishing every day ( unless the loch is frozen :z4 ) and I've come to realise that the folk that enjoy their fishing the most are the ones that know what they enjoy about their fishing :cool:
Folk enjoy trying to piece together the jigsaw and I think we all have our own personal jigsaws. For some that means working out the conditions and possible food supply and trying to match it, for others it might be using a fly incorporating the latest tying material or cheek colour, for others it might be a certain tweek in a retrieve rate, or perhaps the enjoyment of a perfectly executed cast of some type ..... the list of possibilities is endless.
If you know what it is that you enjoy about your fishing, you can take this to any water and enjoy your day :cool:
Could this be why I enjoyed my first evening at a stocked fishery? Nobody told me what the most productive fly was, or how I should fish it ..... I just took a moment or two to watch the water and take in the surroundings, then I fished as I normally would to fish that I could see, in the way that I personally enjoy.
Cheers
Mike
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Mike,
You getting cabin fever?! I know I am :cry
Ben
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Mike,
You getting cabin fever?! I know I am :cry
Ben
Ben :z4
Yes probably, but I was casting on ice today, which helped a bit ..... I think? :roll
Cheers
Mike
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It's a broad church we all belong to as 'Brothers of the Angle' and a topic that's certain to evoke a whole range of emotions from us all. Afterall, as much as you might try to deny it, fishing is a personal thing, you fish because you enjoy it or at least you should do (if not then there's always golf :z4)
You're right Mike about anglers gaining enjoyment out of fitting another piece into the big piscatorial jigsaw (mine's a 500,000 piece one and i'm still struggling on the corner bits :z4)
One thing i do find quite simple is this: if there's a style, species, location or tactic you don't like then simply don't do it. Why berate another angler who does (as long as it's legal and dosen't get in the way of me stalking a spooky rod bender :wink)
Cheers
Allan
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It's a broad church we all belong to as 'Brothers of the Angle' and a topic that's certain to evoke a whole range of emotions from us all. Afterall, as much as you might try to deny it, fishing is a personal thing, you fish because you enjoy it or at least you should do (if not then there's always golf :z4)
You're right Mike about anglers gaining enjoyment out of fitting another piece into the big piscatorial jigsaw (mine's a 500,000 piece one and i'm still struggling on the corner bits :z4)
One thing i do find quite simple is this: if there's a style, species, location or tactic you don't like then simply don't do it. Why berate another angler who does (as long as it's legal and dosen't get in the way of me stalking a spooky rod bender :wink)
Cheers
Allan
Well said Allan :z16
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Jim
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In my experience it would seem that stocked rainbows on certain occasions will respond well to traditional pulled wets. However wild browns seldom (but do rarely) respond to some of the tactics employed on your stocked rainbows.
This is only my opinion gained from fishing a rainbow stocked Lake with native/wild browns over the last 30 years but it does seem to hold reasonably true in Englandshire where there are a lot of waters of this ilk.
Sandy.
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Just out of curiousity Sandy what water are you talking about??
Cheers
Baz
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I find a #2 4x long conehead bugger works quite well on many slow pools on many rivers, I'm sure it would also take fish at Haddo, barbless of course and would probably also catch at other small waters :z4
Mike, there is a cross over between small stillwater & running water, general watercraft and thats about it IMO. From that point only my thinking is the same but methods other than ripping a streamer are not the same really and neither is the fishing for me.
Cheers
Ben
Yes, but I've watched you fishing at Haddo and I know that you do not really enjoy fishing for rainbows :wink
What I have seen from the hut ...... is that Ben fishing with a Woolly Bugger or whatever lure looks bored, or at least not enthusiastic, but on the days when you can see the trout and you target them with size 18 - 20 dries .... you get a twinkle in your eye! :z7
Cheers
Mike
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Baz it's Burrator Reservoir on Dartmoor. Its about 100 years old and 155 acres.
It is regularly stocked with Rainbows but the Brownies are really Native/Wild.
Sandy B.