Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Rivers & Lochs => Topic started by: Noel Kelly on 09/10/2009 at 13:37
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Thinking of having a first ever attempt at fishing for salmon tomorrow and looking for some advise.
I have a roving ticket for the Don so thats Alford, Kintore and Inverurie to choose from.
What sort of water should I be fishing?
How should I fish it, upstream, down?
Types of retrieve?
Fly suggestions?
I know thats pretty broad but any hints at all would be great.
I will be using a 7 weight 9 ft 6 and have the usual basic lines to choose from eg floater, sink tip, inter, di3 and di5. Basically where about,s should I be trying to present the fly?
Cheers :z18
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Noel
I'm sure there are more knowlegable guys on the subject on this forum but here's my tuppenceworth,
You are looking for water wher the Salmon will lie up, where the current is not to fast. also behind obstructions etc
Across and down , its cast then step cast then step tail you get to the tail of the pool.
You do not generally retrieve when Salmon fishing , just let it swing round in the current after an upstream mend , when its swung round just let it hang for a moment they ofetn take then , do not strike into a Salmon, just lift the rod (easier said than done for a trout fisher)
Flies , you pays your money etc Ally's shrimp , Cascade , Willie Gunn, tubes and waddingtons if you want to go deeper.
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Jim
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Hello,
I to want to try my hand at salmon fishing and thought id have to buy some new kit, is the 7wt 9 ' 6" your talking about your trout gear or is it a salmon rod?
cheers Adam.
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Hello,
I to want to try my hand at salmon fishing and thought id have to buy some new kit, is the 7wt 9 ' 6" your talking about your trout gear or is it a salmon rod?
cheers Adam.
A retired trout rod :grin Dont see why it wouldnt do unless I hooked into something massive :shock and even then what,s the worst that can happen :z4
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Ah thats good to know, and sorry for butting in on your post. Let us know how you get on tho.
Good luck
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Hi Noel,
Hopefully the wind will be in your favour tomorrow as a single hander today would have been a tall order at times due to the wind
As for the venue? I'll drop you a pm
I'm off to paint a room in the house and if I can get finished off I'll try and grab a few hours with you tomorrow.
There are fish in the river but I'd say it needs a good 6 inches (cheeky) to help things along.
* Cover as much water as you can
* Don't go light on leader breaking strain (I typically use 19.5lb)
* Flies??? I think mobility and depth are more inportant, Black and Green, Black and Orange, Cascade, Black Red & Yellow, Yellow & Black?????? who knows?
* Jims' description of lies are as good as any.
* As is his note on not striking. It's hard not to lift straight into a fish if it takes when the flies on the dangle but if a fish takes on the 'swinging across' point it's not such an issue as the rod is usually held in a leisurely 'lazy ghillie' manner.
I was out today on one of the ADAA waters and was fortunate enough to hook 3 and even managed to land 2 of them (safely returned). What did I say about Green, Gold & Black? the dogs danglies!
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Iain
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Oops, and here's the man fish
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:z16Nice fish Iain what beat was u fishing any one els get one . what size were they well done :z18 :z16 :cool:
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Nice fish Iain :z16.... Couldn't help but notice the reel though :cool: had to stop myself salivating. :z7
Is it a Loop Opti?
Jay
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Thanks for the quick replies guys.
Jim :z16 sound advise as always.
Iain :shock ya dirty dog. Very well done, I'm beginning to think that you have an idea of what you,re doing :cool:
I hope to be out first thing tomorrow and will only manage a few hours.
In fact I am supposed to be taking a mate out trout fishing tomorrow, have had no luck getting in touch to postpone so river may not happen for me at all :z6
Give me a call if you are heading out.
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Aye nice fish Iain , been in the river a wee while though :wink
The short rod v the Traditional Scottish 13 to 15 footer, in the States they would think nothing of fishing for Salmon on a 9ft rod probably 9# though. I think its really about having more control over the line with a longer rod rather than the power to control and land a fish, also if you want to chuck out big tube flies it helps, but in reality there is nothing intrisically wrong in fishing for Salmon with a single hander.
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Jim
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Good fishing Iain, glad to see you getting some sport :z18
Thats a nice flee also :wink
Is that a Guideline rod your using :shock
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Hi Noel
Sink tip would probably be a good bet, you will find it quite difficult to cast the bigger salmon flies often used at the back end with the single hander. Should be okay with doubles or trebles down to size 8 with long tails, or use a smallish conehead or aluminium tubes. If water is lowish make sure you dont overlook the throat of the pools and also give the last third a good going over, especially if there is good depth and rocks etc.
Good luck any way Noel, remember that you can come over to the Findhorn next season any time, plenty of gear to lend you.
regards Geoff
I know where you can get a lovely Vision gt 4 8/9# double hander cheap :z4
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Aye nice fish Iain , been in the river a wee while though
What you talking about Jim, a bar of silver so it is! :grin
Is that a Guideline rod your using
No Baz, it's a Henrik Mortensen VII
Is it a Loop Opti?
That it is Jay, but I hate it and want to give it away to someone who'd appreciate it, interested? :z4 :z7
Give me a call if you are heading out.
I'll send you a text int morning Noel.
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:shock Whats wrong with it?
.....and how much? :P hehe
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not for sale, young fellow me lad! :z7
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The short rod v the Traditional Scottish 13 to 15 footer, in the States they would think nothing of fishing for Salmon on a 9ft rod probably 9# though. I think its really about having more control over the line with a longer rod rather than the power to control and land a fish, also if you want to chuck out big tube flies it helps, but in reality there is nothing intrisically wrong in fishing for Salmon with a single hander.
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Jim
Spot on Jim, use a rod that suits the water and flies you are throwing.
I do 95% of all my Don salmon fishing above Kemnay with a single hander, usually a 9'6" #6 saltwater rod. I am very comfortable with this rod and it has not struggled with anything I have caught so far, it has now landed several double figure salmon however, I am not recommending that everyone gets out the 6wt and goes chasing salmon a 7 or 8wt would probably be more appropriate when there is the chance of hooking anything other than small fish or grilse. The suitability of the tackle depends upon angler experience and the individual outfit. Another advantage to using a short rod is that it is much easier to land / net a fish if you are fishing alone, I have lost fish trying to net or beach them on long DH rods.
In terms of casting, I prefer to Spey cast copper or tungsten tubes on a Spey line and DH rod but there is no reason that with the right line most salmon flies including Sunrays cannot be cast on a heavy trout rod.
Cheers
Ben
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not for sale, young fellow me lad! :z7
Tut tut... destroying a young man's hopes and dreams :z4 :z7
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