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Title: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Ben Dixon on 21/09/2009 at 22:35: I got a play with and went fishing with the finished article on Sunday and thought I would post my findings.

I fished the line with dries to begin with on a Helios 905 tipflex in quite a stiff breeze with a 16' leader tapered to 5x fluoro, the turnover was positive without being harsh at close range and was still very positive and controlled at up to 30 yards, I was very impressed by the presentation and accuracy I could achieve at range even in the wind. Due to the long rear taper it was easy to lift long lengths of line from the water which made covering fish with dries very quick & easy, no need to strip in to the head before lifting off and representing to a new target. The rear taper makes the line very predictable in the air, even when aerialising huge amounts of line the loops were exceptionally stable hence the line presented well and wanted to shoot from all lengths of carry, a stable loop will turn over and being so stable makes it ideal for casting multiple flies. Ticked all the boxes for general dry & nymph fishing.

Many 5wt lines will struggle with heavy or large flies and I wanted to see how the line coped with an average stillwater lure, I changed to a 9' fluoro tapered leader with a 3x point and tied on a size 10 yellow dancer and to my suprise, the line coped fine, much better than I had expected. The fly turned over well and it was possible to throw it quite a long way, even with the bulk and mass of the fly the loops remained stable and the cast felt under control at all times, will be interesting to see how the line copes with a polyleader, I think it should be fine.

Where would I use it and what for? General stillwater duties from boat or bank with nymphs & dries and even standard sized lures, I say "even" as the line I was fishing was the 5wt, not the usual choice for fishing lure patterns. Traditional loch style fishing with three or four flies from a boat, the excellent turn over characteristics and stability in flight means it will be a great line for casting several bushier flies in often breezy conditions. Will be a good line for fishing at range on rivers too particularly with wets & nymphs, the long taper will allow the line to be steered well during the drift. In heavier weights this line will work well as a big water line, a good floater for reservoir fishing and the 7 and 8 wt versions will do well as sea trout / singlehanded salmon lines for use on larger rivers.

When simply casting it for fun, it goes a long way and although I am yet to get this version with the new coating against the tape measure I am sure that it will go as far as the SA Expert Distance and probably go further on average for most anglers, the new coating is much slicker than that on the last prototype I cast. It roll casts and Speys pretty well too!!

Cheers

Ben

( edit = Change the title to show the new name for the fly line, changed due to a trade mark issue )
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 22/09/2009 at 10:01: Hi Ben!

Interesting! Looking forward to try the new line out, good news about the coating! 88 ft head sounds long though but that depends on the taper of course. That´s 88 ft including rear taper right? Not a rear taper after a 88 ft belly?

I shoot from about 88 ft for full throttle distance and by then I would not mind being into a slight overhang to help reduce the dip in the lower leg. The SA ED is crazy eager to go for a "safe" long cast from about 85-86 ft but at 88 it´s a much more dicey business...

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 23/09/2009 at 19:55: Thanks for the very kind comments Ben :z16

I have set Ben, Mike and Stefan a wee challenge ...... to see how far they can cast the line down the measuring tape :wink This is just a bit of fun amongst friends, but I suspect it might get a bit competitive :z4

By the way, everybody has been calling this line "the Competition Line" and for this reason I almost named it that, but I decided to call it the "Barrio Outcast" ...... after our forum casting club. Seemed like a good idea since a lot of you have had input in to this line over the last couple of years.

Thanks again
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 23/09/2009 at 20:17: Oh, I see I'm late, again.

None of your woosy fishing for me, just blood and guts casting.

The line arrived this morning and I was lucky enough to get home early enough to get out and cast it. I had to guess the weight, Mike forgot to tell me :z6. Anyway I guessed right (5) and put it up on an Angel 2TE (9' 5 weight).

Best 125.2'' or 38.15m. I peppered the 120 mark but couldn't improve on the 125 (need some practice).
Carry was up by about 8' or more from the MED to nearly 93ft or 28.25m, whichever is the longest. I was casting with a slight breeze so that carry is into it. Thats 93' effective carry, ie, under control. Thats pretty well a record for me, I can only carry 82/3' of MED on a good day.

Nice turnover at distance.

I also did some short accuracy and roll/spey casting (on grass), sweet as a nut.

I will put it head to head against the MED and a DT over the weekend, if the weather holds.

It picks up very nicely, 90'+ pickups and 105' laydowns, dead straight.

Nice line, fishing will have to wait.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 23/09/2009 at 20:44: Hi Mike :z16

Yes, I forgot to tell you it was a #5 :oops

Wow, feedback and distances already! Looks like you got to grips with it ok, that's fantastic casting in my book, well done! Great news that you think I've got the turnover back, it's not easy to design something that will do that Mike.

Now I must stop here and say THANK YOU! Mike has given me an awful lot of help with this design over the last two years and must be totally fed up with my PMs and emails ( I wouldn't like to count how many I've sent him :shock ) and this design would not have been possible without him sharing his casting experience with me. I also learnt an incredible amount at the Sexyloops Gatherings, just by sitting and watching how the lines act in the air when this awesome bunch of friends get their hands on them!

Thanks again Mike!
Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 23/09/2009 at 21:27: Away for a few days and then it looks as if I will have to dust off the 5wt (Rob, where is my TCR 5!) and the tape measure.

Mike, I have not cast this on grass or anywhere with sufficent space to wind it up (loose those other trees Mike) but I suspect my carry will be up on the MED too, the line is simply more stable and I think gives greater margin for error also, I think it will turn over much better.

Were you picking up 90' off water or grass Mike? Think you should come up for the Outcasts gathering in October, I will put you up, Stefan, the offer is there too. I can't do Sunday 4th unless after lunch and more or less all Saturdays are out for me too.

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 23/09/2009 at 21:33: Hmmm ..... might be better to expand on my earlier reply :z3

Mike Heritage was the person that gave me the original idea for this particular taper design and his help throughout the project has been awesome, but I must not forget everybody else that has helped with endless enthusiasm along the way ..... like Sandy, Hamish, Ben, Magnus, Stefan and even Lee ..... and of course the forum members that have tried the numerous prototypes and given me their honest feedback :wink

You guys couldn't do the designing for me, but you certainly made up for my lack of casting ability! :z4

I'm so lucky to have so many good friends with such a lot of experience :z16

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 24/09/2009 at 15:16: Yes, the pick up and laydown was on grass Ben, where else. I don't touch water, fish make love in it :grin

It would be nice to get up to see you guys but to be honest I don't see it happening, but you never know. Have you a date yet?

I think you have done a brilliant job of interpreting a mish mash of information and turning into a flyline Mike :z16

Home early again and it's perfect weather, I feel the need for speed :z2

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 24/09/2009 at 18:47: Hi guys!

Mike, 125 ft... Congrats friend! Fantastic casting! Hmm, this is going to be tough. I hope I can do the line justice. I will certainly try my best!

90 ft pickup is evil doing Mike. A friend of mine, Fredrik, did almost that in the middle of a shootout against Paul. You should have seen Pauls face expression. :shock :z3

I hope I can get Fredrik into casting the prototype aswell (that will not be hard :z7). I anyone here can get the full potential out of a 5 wt line it´s him.

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 24/09/2009 at 19:09: Quote from: Stefan Siikavaara on 24/09/2009 at 18:47

I hope I can get Fredrik into casting the prototype as well (that will not be hard :z7). If anyone here can get the full potential out of a 5 wt line it´s him.

Best Regards
Stefan

Hi Stefan :z16

I have heard you speak about Fredrik before, it will be great to hear how he gets on with the line too! This is turning in to an international competition :z4 :z4 :z4

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 24/09/2009 at 20:26: No Suitable rod with me today and a bit blowy for the 5 in Banchory so took out a Western3 and MED #6, measured carry at about 86' consistently with the odd cycles at 88' but shoot is better for me from 86' consistent at about 118 - 119' with the odd one over 120'. Must get out and try "the line" against the tape, Rob, any news on my rod or does anyone else have a TCR5 they want to lend me? Promise I won't break it :z4

bit off topic I know.....
Played with hauling palm forward today to enable a better wrist snap at the end but I could not manage to get my fingers untangled from the line to shoot, substantial increase line speed though. You played about with the Mike / Stefan?

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 24/09/2009 at 20:34: Hi Ben!

I've tried it but it did not give me much more than tangles. :z7 I set the line along the thumb instead and try to use it the same way Rick Hartman does.

best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 25/09/2009 at 17:24: I have tried the back flip Ben but it feels awkward. My main problem used to be slippage but I now wind the line once around two fingers, it doesn't restrict feeding line into a shoot and when I pinch down with my thumb I know it won't slip.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 29/09/2009 at 09:45: Hi guys!

This line is going to get tested indoors next Sunday if UK-mail allows. The hall we have access to has a bit limited height but it should be fine. At least there is no wind in there...

Last saturday was a struggle in cold, hard and shifting winds. We had two casts going in at 38 meters with a 6wt ED and a few over 46 meters with the T38. One of the guys passed 105 ft with his left hand (fecking hell). And we finally got a girl in our group now!

The guys are still hitting 33-35 meters consistently even in these conditions...

We will also start up a series of workshops on the FFF CCI-test next Sunday. This will be a ongoing event until Christmas. We will cover all the tasks of the test and look into purpose, explanations and also have a closer look at the examinator role.

Here is some T38 in the wind: http://hedman.be/090927/P9271699.AVI

Magnus +110 in the wind: http://hedman.be/090927/P9271715.AVI

Fredrik (The girly precision guy) hits +120 in the wind: http://hedman.be/090927/P9271705.AVI

Doc working the wind: http://hedman.be/090927/P9271703.AVI

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 30/09/2009 at 12:06: Hi guys!

I got the line yesterday and casted it for about an hour before it was pitch black here...

I have a LOT to say about it but I will wait until the group has had a go with it this Sunday.

I can say one thing though. I am quite eager to get home from work today...

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 30/09/2009 at 17:22: Hi guys!

Just back from casting distance with the line. Here is a few casts for you:

114
117
120
125,6
126,6

Fredrik and Paul is going to murder with this line... :grin

I think I might have popped a 130 with it yesterday. I did not realise how long this line is until I got it along the tape today...JESUS it´s long :shock

Had to work hard to beat you Mike, now it´s your turn!! :wink

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 30/09/2009 at 19:10: Nice one Stefan. I haven't reached mega distance again, mainly because the air is totally dead, high pressure and almost still, perfect for presentation stuff but not ideal for distance.

I have been casting it along side my TCR with an MED on and my Echo UD with a 95' DT on. The outcast usually wins by a foot or two although occasionally the DT come out slightly better, but only slightly. The very worst I can say about the line is that it is equal too, or slightly better than the MED but is much nicer to cast. I haven't tried it on the UD yet but I find it casts better on the TCR rather than the Angel, which doesn't feel like it has enough beef in the bottom two sections. I would really like to try it on an X TCR, mine is an AB.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 30/09/2009 at 19:32: Hi Mike!

You should try it on a AD TCX 590, that would raise your brows! :z4

I will try to not cast any before Saturday (but it´s so hard to stay away). It´s been a quite tough period of training and I need to rest the arms some. I know I can add a few feet more to the cast when I am better rested.

Yes, this line plays in the same division as the MED and you know how very much I love that line. This is a beautiful design, finally there is more than one proper longbelly line on the market. You guys have done a fantastic job!

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 01/10/2009 at 21:09: Hi Stefan
126.6 ............ Great casting! :z16

I'm glad I didn't include myself in this wee challenge :z4

Best wishes
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 01/10/2009 at 21:47: Nice Casting guys, be interesting to see how your group gets on Stefan. I have still not had a serious session with it against the tape, managed a few casts over 115' today with a Helios 905 TF in a fairly serious wind, the line is certainly much more forgiving and easier to work with than the MED, more forgiving of tracking errors with a long carry and turnover is certainly much better. I too would like to get it on a TCR, mine is a custom but quite poker like, getting rebuilt just now..... Must chase up that rod builder :z4

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 01/10/2009 at 22:37: Hi Ben!

A custom you say? Sandy? Are you going to let Snapper try it out? :z4

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 01/10/2009 at 23:42: Hi Stef,

Was built in the US but I wore out the thin wire recoils in about 2 months, having it built up with SW recoil snakes, much harder tip ring as this went very quickly and getting lined strippers on it. Is with a local builder, I missed Sandy, he was in moving mode by the time I decided I was missing the rod. Don't want to trash my Helios, I like it too much as a fishing rod hence want the TCR back!!

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 02/10/2009 at 07:30: Hi Ben!

That used to happen to me too, but not anymore. Haven´t worn out a single guíde in 4-5 years. Do you clean your lines... :wink

Make it a daily routine, allways drop your spools in a bucket of luke warm water and a few soapflakes after a session. Let them sit in it for a few hours or overnight. Next day wipe them down with a soft rug a few times and finally dress them with Tiemco or SA line dressing.

Oh, and I used to wear out 4-6 lines every year, now my lines last 3 seasons...

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 02/10/2009 at 10:39: Just given the line a proper thrashing against the tape. Best cast 124'4",and consistent at about 116' with the odd 120 in there too. Thought my prototype was a bit heavy but I have now decided that I was simply casting like a girl!!

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 02/10/2009 at 11:43: Hi Ben!

Superb casting mate!! Well done! :z16

Yeah! The speed needed has to come from somewhere...

I can get very consistent over 115 with this line by just flopping it, but if I want to go 120 I need at least three times the effort. That means get the body moving in my case and increase the haul speed.

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 03/10/2009 at 10:28: I suggest you back off the macho style Stefan and concentrate on technique :z4, you know it makes sense :z3.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 03/10/2009 at 17:25: Hi Mike!

You convinced me to become a brute, it was you who told me to hit the fucker! :z4 :z4

I could´nt bloody cast a clean loop for months while working on adding power to the cast. I had entire sessions when EVERY delivery cast tailed. Charlott was not too happy about it either, she said I was ruining my technique. I got more knots and tangles in one hour than I used to have in two seasons. And the curves, those bloody curves in the delivery cast... :z4

Then it fecking started to work! Bit by bit I could add more power without messing up the cast. Still working on this. Thought it would be easy to learn but it is damn difficult to cast with a lot of power....

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Hamish Young on 03/10/2009 at 17:45: Hmmmm..... seems I really must try the revised line out. Sounds like it'll suit my errr..... unique style :z4

Hamish :z3
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 04/10/2009 at 15:18: Hi all!

Ok, back from a day in the hall. Max distance is just not possible in there, the ceeling is too low. But we did some carrying with your line Mike...

Magnus carried 29m (95.1 ft)

I carried 29.8m (97.8 ft)

And Fredrik carried 31.4m (103 ft)

All lengths measured from line end to hauling hand, leader excluded. These are personal records for all three of us. Fredrik did the 103ft two times, and the method we have for judging that a carry is under control is that the caster can complete three false cast cycles with it.

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 04/10/2009 at 18:10: Quote from: Stefan Siikavaara on 04/10/2009 at 15:18
Hi all!

Ok, back from a day in the hall. Max distance is just not possible in there, the ceeling is too low. But we did some carrying with your line Mike...

Magnus carried 29m (95.1 ft)

I carried 29.8m (97.8 ft)

And Fredrik carried 31.4m (103 ft)

All lengths measured from line end to hauling hand, leader excluded. These are personal records for all three of us. Fredrik did the 103ft two times, and the method we have for judging that a carry is under control is that the caster can complete three false cast cycles with it.

Best regards
Stefan

Wow! :shock
That is awesome casting Stefan, I don't think I've heard of anybody carrying 100 ft of 5wt before :z16

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 04/10/2009 at 18:23: Hi Mike!

I have actually seen two people do +100 ft before Fredrik. Mats Boström and Paul Arden. But it´s very rare I think. Most VERY good casters I know fold at about 90 ft, most good casters at about 80 ft.

It is quite a sight I tell you. :shock

This line likes to be carried.

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 04/10/2009 at 19:01: 100' carry is the stuff of legends, I'm not sure I have ever seen a measured one.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 04/10/2009 at 20:34: Hi Mike!

I am quite sure we can get one on video for you this winter. This carry was witnessed by two people. Fredrik just keeps on booming here, and he has only been casting for one year. He has a full length near dead straight stroke in both directions and a very fast haul, on top of that he steps and slides with his body. And there is still room for improvment incredibly enough!

This is what you want as an instructor, to have your students learn to cast much better than you. But i'ts still bloody annnoying when it happens... :z4 :z4

I need to increase my stroke length... I predicted this would happen, you can´t compete in running with someone that is taking longer steps than you do. At first you might be in the game with your speed, but only until the guy learns how to step as fast as you do...

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 04/10/2009 at 21:58: This is starting to sink in now, fantastic ....... Well done Fredrik! :z14

What happens when somebody achieves such a big carry Stefan? Are they still able to shoot the line well? How far would you guess somebody might possibly be able to shoot a 5wt from a 90-100 ft carry?

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 05/10/2009 at 07:44: Hi Mike!

Not far, the longest cast will still come off a much shorter carry. We haven't cracked that one yet. That would possibly need much better timing, tracking and power application than we are able to produce yet. It must be possible though.

I have to choose myself, either I go for a max carry attempt or I go for a distance shoot attempt. When I try to do both the shoot is very limited and the turnover is more than often compromised. I can tell you that for me a 90 ft carry means hitting it as hard as I possibly can, absolutely maximum pedal to the metal. I have nothing left to generate more speed for a long delivery shoot. And after four, five cycles I get about as tired as from sprinting 50-60 meters.

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 05/10/2009 at 18:52: Spot on Stefan, although I will add that effective carry varies from line to line. I have an effective carry of about 93' with a DT but only 83' with the MED, the Outcast seems to be about 90' or perhaps a bit more. The DT and MED will generally cast within two feet of each other so that means I might shoot an additional 45/50' with the MED but only 25 to 35 with the DT, but you can add another 10' to that when you manage to hook one up properly (which happens now and then). I honestly believe I may top 140 with the Outcast if conditions are right and I manage to hook one up.

It's certainly got me working on distance again.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 05/10/2009 at 21:51: 140' is obscene, would love to see it. Had another play today and everything was dying at about 110' think it may have been one of those thick air days. I am liking the line, will put it up against a MED next time I am out.

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 07/10/2009 at 20:58: All this is fantastic reading for someone stuck in a hotel room wishing they where at home!!

What really interests me is the different emphisis placed on what you guys are trying to achieve to that used by the distance sea and carp anglers.

I dont think i spotted any of you talking about blank compression, recovery speed, arc, aero dynamics and tradgectory. Perhaps there is an assumption that these go without saying? The holy grail for "lead" casters is a fully compressed blank. Without that, as the rod starts to unwind, the lead is not travelling at its maximum speed. A softer actioned, fully compressed blank will cast further than a half compressed fast action rod.

When carrying a very long fly line, would i be right in saying that the blank might be fully compressed for part of the stroke, but the line will absorb some of the energy as its unrolling at the end of the back cast. Also, the line is not in a perfectly straight line, certainly when I have watched the likes of Ben, the line is very much in an arc, and to my mind, absorbing energy on the forward cast.

If you could get a rod that bent all the way to the handle on the forward cast, but recovered to a "straight rod" exceptionally quickly, you would have a rod that could generate not only a fast tip speed, but also a wider casting arc. A fast action rod cast with a very long, open armed stroke would, i think, be the closest you would get to this...an extended arc, but i think this may then make a bigger loop.

The shape of the lead can make a huge difference indeed. I guess the tightness of the loop would be the equivalent. The tighter the loop, the further the cast. But what about the back cast? Again, picking on Ben :wink his back cast forms a large "D" loop behind, sometimes actually bouncing on the ground. If that back cast was higher, and dead straight like the front cast, would this not impart the maximum loading on the rod, setting it up for a fully compressed, and therefore high tip speed front cast?

Every fly caster I have watched has had a pretty flat casting tradgectory. The optimum angle for a long cast (lead) or indeed an artillary shell to travel to its maximum distance given a certain force is 45 degrees. Would it be possible to aim the forward cast up and high? I believe this would give extra distance with very little effort. I leave it upto you experts to work out how ;) But i know if I cast from a platform, I can cast further than if I cast when lower down, such as when wading.

Just some inane ramblings and thoughts, but they might spark off some ideas :)

Oh, and one last thing...I have always watched Lefty Kreh with the upmost respect and awe. The way he concentrates on keeping the elbow and hand travelling in a straight line seems to be at odds with what just about every other caster seems to be doing. How come? At 80+ he can still effortlessly cast a full line, even with just the tip. Amazing!
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 07/10/2009 at 22:10: Hi Rob!

Quote
A softer actioned, fully compressed blank will cast further than a half compressed fast action rod.

Why do you think that? How about a fully compressed very stiff blank then?

http://www.edgeforum.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=96733

Recent scientifc research show that the bending/loading of the rod, as per the "bow and arrow effect" equates to about 10-20 percent of the line speed in a cast. Rod loading is not a major source of line speed as people used to belive.

http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/rodcast.shtml

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 07/10/2009 at 22:59: Quote from: Stefan Siikavaara on 07/10/2009 at 22:10
Hi Rob!

Why do you think that? How about a fully compressed very stiff blank then?

Because a softer blank will have more stored energy if it is fully compressed on the forward stroke, producing a longer, smoother arc to unwind. A stiffer, half compressed blank would have less energy stored and a much shorter arc to unwind.

I think :)

A stiff, compressed blank has a shorter arc..perhaps an advantage with a fly line????

The best comparison I can think of, using your bow and arrow example, is that the english used longbows against the French. The bow was softer and stored more energy than the Frenchs "normal" sized bows that apparently where very hard to pull back due to there construction. Thus the English could fire more arrows, further and for sustained periods.

Or so my history teacher told me some 30 years ago :)

As for your point about loading, its interesting that from a fly perspective, the theory/research is at a completely opposite end of the spectrum to what is talked about/practiced with a lead.

However, I have to say I do come down firmly in the side of the "must compress blank" camp through experience with carp and sea rods. Until I learnt the technique of the Pendulum cast, I was hitting maybe 130 metres, i could not compress the blank. As soon as I learnt the cast and managed to compress, my best cast hit 210 metres..a pretty substantial improvement...but i was using less power, better timining and a cast that extended the arc thus allowing the blank to compress over a longer period, but recover in a short "stop".

I remember science once said the earth is flat..and we all know it is actually square ;)

Thanks for your reply....got me thinking again..a dangerous thing..lol.
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 07/10/2009 at 23:23: Rob,

The bouncing of the line on the back cast is intentional and does actually give more line speed. When carrying a long line, the rod is translated for as long as possible and then "flopped" over, the rotation coming as late as possible with as much speed as possible and a stop is definitely not in there or even part of the game plan. The direction that the main mass of the line is sent in is what is important, the head is flying straight, as fast as I can throw it, no stop, and the counterflex of the rod takes the running line down, the head then pulls this straight before the FC. I do not stop on the FC either, I simply time the rotation, release and haul to give the required trajectory and try to do as Paul does, aim it as high as I can without it tailing, the loop starts off huge, then morphs tight as it flies and comes under tension. If you watch a slo mo clip of a 170 stroke and compare it to a more conventional stroke you will see the difference in rod compression, TCR's are hard to bend through the cork with a conventional cast.

You coming to the Outcasts day on the 1st?

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 08/10/2009 at 02:22: :z2 Interesting stuff
but I'm afraid I'm with stefan
the stiffer rod will store more energy, it just takes more
energy to bend it To it's limit(basic physics,energy in=energy out)
it is easier to store the energy in the softer blank therefore more easy to achieve a maximum potential
that maximum will be much higher for a stiffer rod ( a reason why they are often easier to break)
your analagy for the longbow is correct but for the opposite reason
to which you used it. Longbows were notoriously hard to bend and that is why
they had such immense range, the power they could store was phenomenal
compared to other bows of the day.
I too am stuck in a hotel.
The arc thing is a good point, watch mr heritage on video :wink
that part is right enough.
The other advatage of the stiffer rod for casting flyrods at distance
is the speed of recovery. The faster the tip recovers on the fwd cast
then the less energy is wasted and the line should carry more speed.
There are plenty other physical factors from the weather, humidity , air pressure etc
to make a difference.
All in it makes for an interesting topic, what I can say was the one thing
we noticed with distance lines was they did not really turnover very well
and that seemed to cost people a lot of extra feet, that has been the real trick
for Mike to crack. But it looks good so far.

Sandy
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 08/10/2009 at 07:29: Hi Rob!

Quote
As for your point about loading, its interesting that from a fly perspective, the theory/research is at a completely opposite end of the spectrum to what is talked about/practiced with a lead.

Is there any research going on on the lead side?

I am not surprised, this is what they used to talk about/practise on the fly side before aswell. First is was mainly catapult. Then they used to talk about a 50/50 ratio as in the rod catapulting 50% of the total line speed in a cast. Now when they have the proper equipment and method to measure it, it turned out to be 10-20%.

The theory that the rod works as a catapult and that rod loading is the major contributor to line speed is flat earth theory. I know how it feels like but it´s still wrong.

Look at the tip-path a bending rod gives you. The bending allows you to track that rod tip resonable straight through a rotational movement. The rod is a flexible lever.

As for the part the rod plays in distance casting, also have a look at this article. http://www.sexyloops.com/articles/8rod.shtml It suggests, among other things, that "distance rods" has a higher standard deviation. The hardware capable of producing the longest casts might not be the easiest hardware to handle.

It´s not the car, it´s the driver.

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 08/10/2009 at 21:00: Like Stefan say's flycasting is 80 percent leverage. We load a rod to produce SLP, not to catapult the line, the bonus is that we may gain a 20 percent increase in line velocity as the rod unloads.

Rob, the reason we are not discussing casting technique or rod mechanics is because, in this case, it's the line we are discussing. In fact the line is actually more important than the rod, especially in distance casting. I would bet that if you gave most casters six different five weight rods with the same line on their best cast with each rod would be within a yard of each other, probably less.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 08/10/2009 at 22:25: Fair comment Mike H ...it was a line thread originally :)

Most of my lines are rather silly...shooting heads, Outbounds etc and 9, 10 and 11 weight..so the subtlety of long range 5 weights is lost on me a bit. If I want distance, I reach for the heads and the 9 weight Helios :)

I do have a ZG 5 weight and that rod really did point out the differences between lines quite dramatically for me..and it really made me think about line choice. I must take it upto Mikes and try the comp line with it.
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 08/10/2009 at 22:28: Quote from: Stefan Siikavaara on 08/10/2009 at 07:29
Hi Rob!

Is there any research going on on the lead side?

Well, Hardy/Greys have just brought out several new ultra long distance rods and claim to have spent millions in research, using high speed filming etc. The research I know of is from the company side of things, in a very very competitive market rather than from the physics side of things.

Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 08/10/2009 at 22:35: Quote from: Ben_D on 07/10/2009 at 23:23
Rob,

The bouncing of the line on the back cast is intentional and does actually give more line speed.

Ben, you explained that the first time i watched you :), however, standing to the side and watching, it looks like the line "bulks up" and almost stalls in the air. All rather facinating though!!

And no, wont be at the outcasts, I think I am away at Lossimouth on pre-deployment training again...anything to get more medals than Captain Mainwaring ;)

If you know of any good fishing in Afghanistan, let me know! Are there any Orvis guides out there?..lol
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Hamish Young on 12/10/2009 at 19:08: Had a further play with the new line today..... interesting :cool:

Ben kindly let me have a play with the line on his Helios 9ft #5wt but I have to say I'd be intrigued to try the line on a TCR.
Again, Ben says he's got a TCR... commonly considered as a benchmark rod.... but it's away being re-ringed at the moment.

Will be a meaningful combination I'm sure :cool: Perhaps it'll be back with him in time for the 'Outcasts' gathering next month :?

What do you think Rob :? :wink

Hamish :z3
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 13/10/2009 at 14:02: Quote from: Hamish on 12/10/2009 at 19:08
What do you think Rob :? :wink

Hamish :z3

If he had not specified the most difficult ring in the world to order, then he would have had it back ages ago!..lol.

Going to be putting in an order tomorrow..so will try one more time, if not, its geting 2 stripping guides instead of one!
Title: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 22/12/2009 at 15:47: Hi folks :cool:

I have received a small stock of my new Outcast fly lines today ( Barrio Competition Line ) and the main bulk order will follow in January.

Today's delivery included WF5F, WF6F and WF7F fly lines.

I do not feel that I have enough stock to go live on the main website with online sales, as I would not be able to cope with high volume orders :z6 ............. so, if you would like to order one of the first Barrio Outcasts please send me a PM and I can sell the ones that I have in stock on a "first come first served" basis to forum members.

The Outcasts are available at £24 each, with the usual Barrio service of free worldwide postage :z16

Best wishes
Mike

( Update Jan 22nd )
WF5F ........ in stock
WF6F ........ in stock
WF7F ........ in stock

(http://www.fishingthefly.co.uk/zoutcast700.jpg)
Title: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Iain Goolager on 22/12/2009 at 16:04: Hi Mike,

Save me a 6wt.

Iain

I'll collect as soon as I can
Title: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 22/12/2009 at 16:24: Quote from: Goolager on 22/12/2009 at 16:04
Hi Mike,

Save me a 6wt.

Iain

I'll collect as soon as I can

Hi Iain :cool:

Will do thanks :z16

If you send me a PM, I can direct you to a temp online sales page for payment and either post it to you, or you can collect the line if you like?

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Barry Robertson on 22/12/2009 at 22:28: Ooh i am excited!
Been looking forward to getting my hands on a decent floater for a while now :z4
Pm on the way Mike :z18
Did i actullay write a nice comment in the casting section :wink
Tight lines,
Baz :z13
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Jim Eddie on 23/12/2009 at 20:06: Mike

Stick a WF5 aside for me, Ill get it next time I'm out , If this weather ever improves. I can empathise with those old timers in the Yukon who would get cabin fever in the winter and shoot their mates :mad seems reasonable to me :z4

:z18

Jim
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 23/12/2009 at 22:22: Quote from: Jedi on 23/12/2009 at 20:06
Mike

Stick a WF5 aside for me, Ill get it next time I'm out , If this weather ever improves. I can empathise with those old timers in the Yukon who would get cabin fever in the winter and shoot their mates :mad seems reasonable to me :z4

:z18

Jim

Hi Jim :z16

Yes, of course, I'll put one aside for you :wink

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Jim Doyle on 24/12/2009 at 09:00: Right mike may I reserve a six wt . will try and get up and see you in the next few weeks or so. jim
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 24/12/2009 at 09:11: Quote from: j doyle on 24/12/2009 at 09:00
Right mike may I reserve a six wt . will try and get up and see you in the next few weeks or so. jim

Hi Jim :z16

Yes, that's fine thanks, I have sent you a PM message.

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Iain Goolager on 24/12/2009 at 20:55: Line arrived today Mike :z16 - don't know when I'll get it out as I've a 10 wt that needs cutting and a 2wt screaming for a cold weather outing.

Iain
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 24/12/2009 at 22:01: Quote from: Goolager on 24/12/2009 at 20:55
Line arrived today Mike :z16 - don't know when I'll get it out as I've a 10 wt that needs cutting and a 2wt screaming for a cold weather outing.

Iain

Great stuff Iain ........ Well done the postie :z16

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Barry Robertson on 29/12/2009 at 11:03: Got home last night to find my new line had arrived, thanks again :z18
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 06/01/2010 at 09:47: Hi folks :cool:

Forum members had the opportunity to get the first of the new Barrio Outcast fly lines just before Christmas.

The new fly lines are now available online and can be ordered from the "Fly Line Shop" by following the link in the forum menu at the top of the page :wink http://www.flylineshop.com/ (http://www.flylineshop.com/)

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Ben Dixon on 06/01/2010 at 18:30: Was playing with mine today, consistently goes further than the SA Mastery Expert Distance. Can carry more of the Outcast and it turns over better at range. Nice piece of kit :z16

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Heritage on 27/02/2010 at 13:31: I have just put the 5,6 and 7's on reels but I don't think I will get the chance to cast them until the Spring Show next weekend. The BFCC are holding their first event of the year there. We will also be giving casting lessons so if you are there pop over and say hello.

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 27/02/2010 at 13:40: Hi Mike :z16

Great stuff ...... still too much ice and snow up here to be fun out on the grass :z6

Cheers
Mike

Check out the British Fly Casting Club website folks http://www.thebfcc.co.uk/ (http://www.thebfcc.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 28/02/2010 at 13:25: This is going to be a fun year for me, with some really cool projects coming together!

The new Outcast fly line is selling well and I'm posting them all over the world, 140 ft long might seem a bit extreme for many anglers, you have 52 ft of running line on the back, if this is too much for your reel just cut this back to whatever length suits you, but there are plenty of adrenalin distance casters out there who will will enjoy the challenge of reaching the backing on the full length line :shock

The Outcast #5 fly rods are being built as I write and these are truly exceptional, rolled and built by David Norwich in Scotland, they are an awesome product to add to the Barrio range!

And there are more new exciting products to come this season ....... watch this space! :z13

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 18/03/2010 at 23:15: Hi Mike!

Thought you like to know that we are hitting murder casts with the Outcast. :cool:

We are still learning to use it fully. It has a crazy potential for shooting from very long carries and we have a few magnificent carry-casters in our club. It is very physical casting but we are getting there since we taken the step even more into sports since a while back. Yeah, that means we train alot of things besides casting now.

We have made two casts measured INDOORS over 39 meters with the 5wt on a 6 wt TCX. That is only decimeters from our outdoor record in perfect conditions with the ED5. The Outcast 5 will go over 40 meters for at least three of us. It might even happen tomorrow but I think it is just a matter of becoming spring here so we can cast outdoors.

The guys in the club are also more than happy with your friendly customer service. I just tell them that´s Mike for you.

Thanks!

Best Regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 19/03/2010 at 01:42: Hi Stefan
Thanks for the great feedback, "a crazy potential" ..... I like that :z16

Sounds like you guys are having lots of fun, I can't wait to see how you get on once you get outside again. Casting over 39 metres indoors, that's awesome! :shock

I'm looking forward to casting with you in May!
Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 18/04/2010 at 00:54: Hi folks ......... Barrio Outcast fly line review from the May edition of Fly Fishing & Fly Tying Magazine :cool:

(http://www.flylineshop.com/img35.jpg)
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Marc Fauvet on 28/04/2010 at 10:53: here's a special pic for Mike.
Monsieur Bruce Richards trying out the Outcast 6wt line at the EWF Fly Fair last weekend near Munich.
several other top-notch casters from around the world tried it out as well and all commented favorably on the lines performance and found great potential in its design. (even those working for other line companies :wink )
i agree with them.

(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/732/dsc00085d.jpg)

cheers,
marc
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 28/04/2010 at 15:43: Now that's really cool :cool:

cheers Marc , what's Bruce like?

Sandy
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 28/04/2010 at 20:52: Hi Marc :z16
Wow! ..... a photo of Bruce Richards casting one of my fly lines, it doesn't get much cooler than that! :z12

Thanks for posting the photo!
Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Marc Fauvet on 29/04/2010 at 11:26: glad you liked it :z18

Sandy, Bruce is as nice a guy as can be. will you be at the Gathering ?

cheers,
marc
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 29/04/2010 at 15:48: Quote from: marc fauvet on 29/04/2010 at 11:26
will you be at the Gathering ?

I wish I could :roll I'm afraid I'm not back in the uk
until mid July
still, I got fishing with a fellow looper in OZ so that kinda helps make
up for it a little.
Not sure when I'm likely to make a gathering, unless it's in the antipodes :cool:

hope you all have a great time though :z18

sandy
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Iain Cameron on 01/05/2010 at 08:16: hi mike

my new outcast line arrived yesterday, the day after placing the order - super service, even comes with a hand-written note, a nice touch. looking forward to fitting it and flinging it!
cheers
iain
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Fly Lines ( now in stock )
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 02/05/2010 at 23:58: Iain,
your Helios is going to love that line! Never thought I would see you with a distance line :).
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 14/05/2010 at 18:47: The new Outcast lines are proving very popular, both on the water and on grass and I'm posting them all over the world!

Paul Rankine's original calling of the line "the competition line" was uncanny, as they are proving very popular with boat anglers across the country. The feedback I'm getting is that the line control of the Outcast in the air is making life so much easier in a boat and allowing anglers to cover fish well and with good presentation in all conditions.

I am currently sold out of WF6F and WF8F I'm afraid, but more stock should arrive towards the end of next week. I have also ordered a shorter WF3F and WF4F 90 ft version and I think these will make excellent lines!

Best wishes
Mike Barrio
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: stromquist on 18/05/2010 at 13:55: Just wanted to say that the Outcast #6 landed in my mailbox today. Excellent quick service and a nice message from Mike :z16 I will put it on one of the spools on my Demon 5000 tonight and hopefully try it out on Saturday.

The so called Kiruna gang in Sweden (Looong distance casters) seem to really like this line. "Best bang for the buck was one opinion". I'm really excited and eager to see what i can do with it.

Thanks
Uffe
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 18/05/2010 at 13:59: Hi Uffe
Welcome to the forum :z16

I hope you like the line and have lots of fun with it.

"Best bang for the buck" ..... I like it, nice one! :z4

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: stromquist on 20/05/2010 at 09:22: Thank you!

Seems as if i will have to shorten it a wee bit actually :cry

I ended up have maybe 2 meters of backing left on the spool, just to have something to connect the fly line with, and it still fills up to the point it touches the reel when all the line is in. I will probably cut away 7,5 meters and make it a 35 meter line instead. I'll don't cast that long anyway (yet) :z7, so it's a non issue really.

It looks great and feels slick alright.
Will be fun to compare it to my current Sameo Python longbelly which i really like too. It has a 16,5 meter head.
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 20/05/2010 at 10:35: Mike,
I have to say I really liked the Outcast from the tube. I managed some quite respectable "switch" casts to get flies out when casting from close to the bank and I found the rod loaded nicely at shorter ranges but allowed me to shoot line if I needed to cover a fish further out. There was also none of the "right arm extended, thrashing away" to stop the line hitting the water on the back cast when sat so low in the water.

I think it would work really well on my light saltwater set up (7 weight)..so will be buying a 7 or 8 weight for that soon :) Do you have a "demo" line of that size to try with the rod?

Cheers
Rob
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 20/05/2010 at 11:23: Hi Rob

Great stuff :z16

Yes, I have all the weights on demo spools at the fishery and the new additions to the range of a 90 ft WF3F and WF4F Outcast should arrive soon too.

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 20/05/2010 at 11:27: Hi Uffe

At 140 ft it is a long line. You have approx 50 ft of running line at the back, so yes, cut the line to a length that suits your personal needs.

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Mike Barrio on 21/05/2010 at 18:34: Hi folks :cool:

I've been receiving more and more great feedback for the Outcast lines this month, with a good number of folk achieving their personal best distance casts with the line ......... Ulrik Röijezon from Sweden being the latest, recording a cast of over 42 meters with an Outcast WF7F fly line :cool:

Simply awesome :shock
Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Stefan Siikavaara on 18/06/2010 at 21:30: Hi stromquist!

Quote
The so called Kiruna gang in Sweden (Looong distance casters) seem to really like this line. "Best bang for the buck was one opinion".

The Kiruna group? If there is such a group please tell them to get in touch with us in Piteå for an exchange. info@flycasting.se

When I moved away from that region of Sweden the only length they where concerned about was how long a net could be to be able to transport and lay it from a boat without tangling it when you are totally dead pissed. :z7

Best regards
Stefan
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line
Post by: Esa Raudasvirta on 23/06/2010 at 13:44: Quote from: Mike Barrio on 21/05/2010 at 18:34
Hi folks :cool:

I've been receiving more and more great feedback for the Outcast lines this month, with a good number of folk achieving their personal best distance casts with the line ......... Ulrik Röijezon from Sweden being the latest, recording a cast of over 42 meters with an Outcast WF7F fly line :cool:

Simply awesome :shock
Best wishes
Mike
Hi Mike! I just want to congratulate You and other guys being involved with designing THE LINE, it´s just fantastic. I was facing with my certification to FFF CCI for about three weeks ago. I had several lines to choose, some of them costing 3 times more than Outcast. You will be tested for accuracy, You have to cast nice loops with short and long casts, rollcast as well, everything so You really need a versatile line and that is why I choosed Outcast, feeling great confidence with the line. And I managed it.
Esa
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 24/06/2010 at 14:27: Hi Esa
Welcome to the forum :z16

Congratulations for passing your FFF CCI casting instructors certification, excellent stuff, well done! ....... You and Ulrik were the first folk to use the new line for certification, so that's great news!

The "Barrio Outcast fly line" is now called the "Barrio GT140 fly line" due to a trade mark issue Esa.

I am also working on a new additional line which will be called the "Barrio GT140S" ....... coming soon :wink

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Heritage on 24/06/2010 at 20:00: Oh Yeah? what does the S stand for?

Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 25/06/2010 at 09:21: Quote from: Mike H on 24/06/2010 at 20:00
Oh Yeah? what does the S stand for?

Mike

Could it be "Sinking" ;)
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 31/07/2010 at 16:40: I hope to have the new GT140S, the orange version of the GT140, in stock at some stage next week. This will also be available in WF3F to WF8F.

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 04/08/2010 at 20:33: Quote from: Mike Barrio on 31/07/2010 at 16:40
I hope to have the new GT140S, the orange version of the GT140, in stock at some stage next week. This will also be available in WF3F to WF8F.

Best wishes
Mike

They have arrived ..... cool :z16
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Alex Burnett on 04/08/2010 at 21:46: Quote from: Mike Barrio on 04/08/2010 at 20:33
They have arrived ..... cool :z16

Can you keep me a 3wt & a 5wt please Mike, :wink :wink I will get them when I get home!! :z18

Thanks Alex
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 07/08/2010 at 00:41: Quote from: Catman on 04/08/2010 at 21:46
Can you keep me a 3wt & a 5wt please Mike, :wink :wink I will get them when I get home!! :z18

Thanks Alex

Hi Alex :z16

Yes, no probs, see you soon ..............

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Barrio GT series video from Sweden
Post by: Mike Barrio on 09/12/2010 at 10:28: Magnus Uhr, from Kalmar in Sweden posted this on my facebook page today, it is great to receive feedback like this and especially with a video. I am finding that quite a lot of folk are using the GT series to make seatrout distance heads and they are doing really well with them :cool:
Thanks for the great feedback Magnus :z16

Hi Mike

Just want to say hi and thanks for the great flylines.
I use them in pikefishing and when a practice and compete in seatrout distance. My personal record with 10´#6 rod and 18meter 25gram Barrio GT 140 head is 49.1 meter.

Here is a short movie on a 40meter/131feet cast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ1XC-2wB8k
Title: Re: Barrio GT series video from Sweden
Post by: Hamish Young on 09/12/2010 at 11:18: Impressive.... most impressive :wink

H :z3

...... but that still leaves 9ft :z4
Title: Re: Barrio GT series video from Sweden
Post by: Ben Dixon on 09/12/2010 at 19:29: Nice casting, that's a serious distance!!!

Hit a new PB with the GT140s #7 on Monday, chucked it 140'4" on an Orvis Access 9'#7 rod. That was backing knot just over half way up the rod with a straight layout didn't repeat that distance but threw a few others over 135'. The line always suprises me by how much oomph it has to turn over even at the end of very long casts.

First Orange GT I have had a good play with, they seem to be a touch slicker in orange and the running line seems a tad thinner. Funny how pigments can effect the properties of a flyline. It does make sense when you look at the chemistry of it, different dues weigh different amounts hence can effect densities of finished product etc.

Once the snow clears I will get out with the #5 and maybe make some "sea trout heads" out of a #8. Have a new #8 toy on the way :grin

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio GT series video from Sweden
Post by: Mike Barrio on 09/12/2010 at 23:14: 140 ft and a PB ........ that's awesome casting Ben! :z16

Great stuff
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio GT series video from Sweden
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 15/12/2010 at 11:49: Hi Mike,
A quick question for you, do you think you will be producing the GT in a 9 or 10 weight? If the GT is proving itself as a good line for bigger/heavier flies I wonder if a 9 or 10 weight is the line the UK Pike Angler is looking for?

Cheers
Rob
Title: Re: Barrio GT series video from Sweden
Post by: Mike Barrio on 15/12/2010 at 12:31: Quote from: Rob on 15/12/2010 at 11:49
Hi Mike,
A quick question for you, do you think you will be producing the GT in a 9 or 10 weight? If the GT is proving itself as a good line for bigger/heavier flies I wonder if a 9 or 10 weight is the line the UK Pike Angler is looking for?

Cheers
Rob

Hi Rob

I have some new GT140S WF9F orange fly lines on order with the factory :z16

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio GT series video from Sweden
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 15/12/2010 at 17:09: Quote from: Mike Barrio on 15/12/2010 at 12:31
Hi Rob

I have some new GT140S WF9F orange fly lines on order with the factory :z16

Cheers
Mike

Could you please put my name on one...many thanks :)
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 04/01/2011 at 23:33: Just had a nice email from Mikael Blomberg, in Skien, Norway ..... I posted Mikael a GT140S WF5F just before Christmas and he's been playing with it in the snow :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvDgiUtQXw

Mikael says:

I've tried the line briefly and I am more than pleased..
The coating is good, the line works well at both short range casting and at distance.

Tight lines Micke
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Ben Dixon on 06/01/2011 at 01:05: Nice casting, very good distance in still conditions with #5 line.

May break out the 5wt over the next week or so, need to get a camera and a tripod.

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mikaelkblomberg on 12/01/2011 at 11:19: Hi guys..

Thanks Ben. I must say i`m moore than pleased with the line..
I`ve been a competiteoncaster for many years but it`s sad
i didn`t now about it before..

The line is a great trainingline becouse it works almost as an Dt..
The snow is still deep here so i haven`t tried it for fishing yet.. But i will :cool:
I`m shure it will work nicely..

I gain an incredibly controll with this line both
in short range cast and in distancecasting, and the "floatability" in the air is just awesome..
I had a good traininground yesterday in good conditions.. Warm and a nice
wind from behind reaching some good distance, the longest one reached to apr. 142 feet..

I`ll try to get some of these cast on tape some day.. It`s not easy.. So many things need
to bee perfect :oops

Tight lines Mikael
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 12/01/2011 at 12:18: Hi Mikael
Welcome to the forum :z16
That's pretty awesome casting with a 5wt line! :z14

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mikaelkblomberg on 12/01/2011 at 14:26: Hi Mike..

Thanks..well what can i say... if it were`nt for the line :z5..

What is the record with the #5 line that you now of?

Tight lines Mikael
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: lakselorden on 12/01/2011 at 19:43: Hello,

Thanks for letting me join the forum. For now I just wonder when the #5 competition line is back?

Thanks!

Harald, Bergen
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 12/01/2011 at 20:19: Quote from: lakselorden on 12/01/2011 at 19:43
Hello,

Thanks for letting me join the forum. For now I just wonder when the #5 competition line is back?

Thanks!

Harald, Bergen

Hello Harald
Welcome to the forum :z16

My next stock order should hopefully arrive at the end of this week.

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Ben Dixon on 13/01/2011 at 00:14: Quote from: Mikaelkblomberg on 12/01/2011 at 14:26
Hi Mike..

Thanks..well what can i say... if it were`nt for the line :z5..

What is the record with the #5 line that you now of?

Tight lines Mikael

Hi Mikael,

142 is an awesome cast with a #5 line :z16 I think Jonothan Tomlinson threw a 5 line 143' something last year but not in competition, not sure if it was a MED, GT140 or a Snowbee XS-ED.

I've mainly been casting the GT140 WF7, hitting high 130's with that on a #7 rod on a good day with the odd cast going a bit further but not consistently. The line carries much better than an MED or Rio Tournament, much more stable in the air, my carry is 6 - 8' more with the GT than the MED. Hope to get some video soon too to analyse my forward cast, if the video comes out any good then I may post some.

The 5 line fishes very nice, turns over very well and is superb for presentation and slack line casts.

Mike, give me a shout when you have 5's back in stock!!

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mikaelkblomberg on 14/01/2011 at 11:32: Hi Ben..

Thanks..Well distance in competiteon and practice for distance is to different stories..

Jonathan and i had a shootout at the final in the first official world championship last year in Norway..
He is a heck of a caster.. Respect :z14 ..

Later i drove him to Oslo from Fagernes and i tell you that those
hours in the car went fast.. What a nice chap :grin..
And we have the same interests as well.. we had a lot to talk about..
Ben ..get your camera running and shoot some #5 casting on the tape..

I would realy like to try the gt140 in som higher #7 and 8.. Well see i gues i`ll have to talk to Mike..

Tight lines Mikael
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Ben Dixon on 14/01/2011 at 23:37: Hi Mikael,

Very different casting along a tape by yourself in a park to standing on a platform, I agree!!

Tomo is a fine caster, saw some video of the shootout at the worlds, is it happening again in 2011?

I'll get the camera rolling when I can find a good day for it, if not before I'll take it to our indoor casting day in a few weeks. I would recommend the GT #7 it's a wicked line, carries really long and very stable. Superb line for working on technique.

You should head over for the Sexyloops gathering in May, there will be a lot of competitive casters there, quite a few from Scandinavia too.

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mikaelkblomberg on 13/02/2011 at 18:18: Hello Ben and all..

I have had my first training session indoor with the Barrio gt 140 #5..
It all went well and i am realy impressed of the stabilty of the line in the air.
What suprises me is that you have to be so accurat in the straight line and so on
to get some realy god distance.
It meens that if you are good on casting distance with it, you`ll be good with any line..
(in other words a perfect training line)
I was using different rods and the line works well with any rod betwen #5-#7..
The longest cast i acheaved with a #7 rod. I rounded 120 feet a couple of times
and that was an awsome feeling..

Tight lines Mikael
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 13/02/2011 at 19:34: Hi Mikael

I'm really pleased that you are having fun with the line and that you are achieving good distance with it :z16

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Ben Dixon on 14/02/2011 at 09:10: Nice casting Mikael, That distance indoor with a #5 is a very long way :grin

Clip here of me casting the #7, this one went 120 something indoors.

If I can we get good weather I'l be out most days this week, will try to get something where you can see the line.

Do you throw the 18' salmon rod?

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 14/03/2011 at 19:37: Hi folks :cool:

Stig from Norway sent me this video today, he was casting his new Barrio GT140 WF5F that he received on Saturday.
Great casting and I love the background :z16

Best wishes
Mike

http://vimeo.com/21024152
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: JohnA on 02/04/2011 at 17:44: I just received my GT140S line today, only ordered yesterday afternoon so a big thanks for the outstanding service Mike :z16

I needed a new line so I thought I would give this a go. I'm no expert so don't expect any superduper reveiws :z4 As long as it casts nice and lays straight in the water then I will be happy, a bit more distance would be nice too but that is down to me not my fly lines. My last line was zig zagging all over the place which is why needed to get a new one.

John
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: lakselorden on 30/10/2012 at 12:03: Hi,

Just got a 140 class 7 from, wich I`m sure will be very useful. Now I want a class 2 line. Will the 140 be ok on a medium action class 2 rod?

I guess a mallard would be even better, but then I would have to pay another 15 pounds in taxes. The 18 pounds discounted 140 is below the VAT limit for importing goods to Norway :z12
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 30/10/2012 at 12:27: Hi LAKSELORDEN
Yes, the GT140 WF2F should be fine :z16

Best wishes
Mike
Title: Re: Barrio Outcast Competition Line ( Now the 'Barrio GT140' )
Post by: Mike Barrio on 21/12/2012 at 13:51: ............................. ( Now the 'Barrio GT125' ) :wink

I don't think I will manage to come up with something better than this! :z16