Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Main Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dave Mundie on 23/03/2008 at 14:34
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Weather depending we'll be taking the caravan to Aberfeldy for a week on the 30th March.
So was just wondering if anyone has stayed down that way and recommend anywhere me and Nicky could go fishing?
Dave
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Dave
Hre are some fishing links http://www.anglingintayside.co.uk/fishingcentres.asp
here are some other activities http://www.aberfeldy.co.uk/activities.htm
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Jim
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:z18 Jim great info just hope the weather bears up.
Dave
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It looks like i'll prob end up fishing the rivers, i've only been fly fishing on small stillwaters what advice would you give me for the river, Flies(pics if poss) ect?
Dave
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Right ....... hopefully everybody will give you a few tips here :z15
To start the ball rolling:
Get some spiders and wet flies and don't stand in the same place all day. Have 2 or 3 casts then move upstream or downstream a few paces and start again :wink
Cheers
Mike
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Right ....... hopefully everybody will give you a few tips here :z15
To start the ball rolling:
Get some spiders and wet flies and don't stand in the same place all day. Have 2 or 3 casts then move upstream or downstream a few paces and start again :wink
Cheers
Mike
Would i be right in saying spiders are dry flies?
What sort of wets i got some diawl baches are they any good?
Dave
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Hi Dave
If you get time, nip in past the hut and I can go through all the different types of flies with you if you like?
Always easier if you can see them :wink
Cheers
Mike
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:z18 Mike will see if i get time i know you'll be away by time i get home from work (4.30ish) so will see if i get time at weekend before we go.
Dave
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:z18 Mike will see if i get time i know you'll be away by time i get home from work (4.30ish) so will see if i get time at weekend before we go.
Dave
No, I am usually there later than that now Dave, hours change with the light :wink
Depends a bit on the weather this week of course, so try giving me a bell before coming over :cool:
Spiders are wet flies and are almost always my first choice, others that you may wish to try would be Black Pennell, Silver Invicta, March Brown, Peter Ross and Hares Ear Nymph.
Cheers
Mike
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Dave
As Mike said traditional wets sizes 10.12. 14, thats not a bad selection , I would add one of my favourites Greenwells Glory, If your new to rivers the easiest and most traditional methods is down and across , cast at an angle of 45 degrees ,upstream mend , let the current bring it round , couple of casts , move a couple of paces and repeat.
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Jim
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Jim, So basically i'll be fishing along the opisit bank :?
What sort of retrieve should i use :?
Dave
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Dave not nessecarily , you can start of with short casts and the lengthen them, cast at a 45 degree angle downstream , mend the line , so that it does not drag , don't retreive until its swung round in the current , pause for a couple of seconds once its swung round as fish often follow and take on the "dangle" after the pause figure of 8 it and then re-cast.
What you are trying to do is have the fly act as a natural fly would in the current , thats why you want to want to avoid drag as this swings the fly round to quickly and in an unatural manner.
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Jim
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"mend the line" does this mean take up the slack :?
Dave
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Jim
You fishing for salmon? :z4
I'd fish Spiders (funny that) or wets but cast them upstream at about 10 o' clock assuming i'm standing looking at the other bank, i'd fish the arc from 10 o' clock to 2 o'clock then move a pace down or upstream depending on the water, i would prefer to move upstream but sometimes it doesn't work out that way.I doesn't make much odds unless you are in the water amongst the fish, and you probably shouldn't be in there :wink
Mind you if a hatch starts i'd try to match it. Size is most important.
Other than that the tips for the Don on the homepage and the wee chart for flies should do you well on any river north of Birmingham :z16
Sandy
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Sandy , well if there happen to be any there :z4
Down and across is just the easiest method fo a beginner , I would not start with upstream wets or nymphys. This involves 3 or fourtimes as much casting and generally a bit of wading.
Dave no an upstream mend actually puts slack into the line , once you have cast , you kind of flick the line back upstream.
Maybe this explains it better than I can http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=C0EDzmDRUVwC&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=%22down+and+across%22+fly+fishing+method&source=web&ots=LRs0HbJRhU&sig=XOUIt-MB09raX8dKmitb7i2wQ0o&hl=en
Cheers
Jim
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Dave ...... I can show you "mending your line" when you come over :wink
Mike
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Dave ...... I can show you "mending your line" when you come over :wink
Mike
Yeah right :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
Mike can show you how to mend your line after its been in a tree for the duration of the only hatch of the day :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
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Soooooo much to try and take in should of tried getting my head round it sooner not just the week before going :oops
Dave
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what rod should i use #5 9ft or #7/8 9.5ft also floater of intermediate :?
Dave
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9ft 5# will be ideal for a river , floating line Dave.
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Jim
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Yeah right :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
Mike can show you how to mend your line after its been in a tree for the duration of the only hatch of the day :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
Now that ......... was below the belt :z4
Cheers
Mike
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Funny -and accurate - though :z4 :z4 :wink
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9ft 5# will be ideal for a river , floating line Dave.
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Jim
Spot on :z16
Having had an evening to reflect on the post, my big bugbear on the river is avoiding drag
Whether fishing dries or wets, this is why i would recommend fishing the 10-2 'o'clock arc regardless of the flies i were using. Fishing down and across is basically dragging the fly (sorry jim :cry) and as such you will pick up a few small trout who are willing to chase anything that looks like it could be food, but you will spook the rest.
The 10-2 arc depends on the direction of flow, but cast upstream and try to fish the flies without any movement until they get to the end of the arc then a small lift imparts some movement and this can sometimes be a trigger (worth a try anyway). Down and across will work for fishing a sedge hatch :wink so its not totally without merit but for most situations i would try to avoid it, unless you are doing it without drag (i imagine the reason for Jim's 'Mend') problem is you have much less control and a much shorter drift.
Unfortunatley there is going to be a bit more casting, but if you select the water you think looks likely to hold fish and fish these then you wont cast anymore than blind searching :z16
I would also add, Start fishing from the bank, dont wade. There are often some very good fish under the nearside bank (as many as the far side :wink) Only wade into water you have already fished through, look for features like overhangs, rocks and seams in the water where faster water meets slower, changes in depth if visible are good spots especially along the actual change. Weeds are good cover for fish so try to fish along the edges.
I dont think anyone can ever learn how to completely read a river, but its good fun trying :z16
Good luck
Sandy
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Fishing down and across is basically dragging the fly (sorry jim :cry) and as such you will pick up a few small trout who are willing to chase anything that looks like it could be food, but you will spook the rest.
Well not always (in my experience at least).
I have sometimes been been forced to fish down and across because of the gentle balmy gale that blows downstream over the Don in early April and have picked up a few fish in the 1.5 - 2.5 lb size using that method. But maybe that is a "small trout" to Sandy :grin. It's also an easier way for a beginner to fish because you can get away with less than perfect presentation and you don't have to keep controlling the slack in the line.
But anyone with any sense wouldn't listen to me because I'm not much more than a beginner myself and Sandy knows at lot more about river fishing than I ever will :wink
Good luck :z18
Irvine
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Irvine what about my next paragraph? :cry
I never said it was wong just not wight :cry if you can help it :wink
As you sayI have sometimes been been forced to fish down and across because of the gentle balmy gale that blows downstream over the Don in early April
But maybe that is a "small trout" to Sandy :grin.
I wish :roll
But anyone with any sense wouldn't listen to me because I'm not much more than a beginner myself and Sandy knows at lot more about river fishing than I ever will :wink
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So not true, all advice is good :z16
Sandy
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Irvine/Sandy as long as i catch i dont mind the size, I'll just have to make do with the drag for now till i learn more.
Dave
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Well guys only managed to get out on tues and the Tay was well high and fast.
My permit allowed me to fish within Aberfeldy limits and to be honest there was only bout 5 places you could cast trees lined the bank most of the way.
i cast out straight in front of me but before i could even blink the line was gone and the fly skipping the surface along the bank, so needless to say no i didn't catch anything, and it just pi***d down by the bucket load all day :cry
I took a walk along the bank on Fri morning before we left and the tree branches that was in the water on tues had a good 4 foot of clearance so that shows how big the spate was.
But to be honest as it was my first attempt at river fishing i didn't really know if i was doing it right or wrong, would have been better if i was there with someone who had done it before to give me some real time pointers.
Dave
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Dave
I fished the Ericht yesterday in near perfect conditions , olives hatching, nae sign of the trout though. The water was still freezing still a lot of snow melt coming down from the glens.
Fished for Salmon in the morning and trout in the afternoon , never touched a thing, still I enjoyed the day.
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Jim