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Title: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Hamish Young on 04/11/2020 at 08:04
Whilst logged on to Facebook the other day I came across an advert for an upcoming article in FF&FT about streamers. Thing is, the text of the advert stated "UK streamer fishing on rivers is rarely encountered, but in the USA it enjoys a massive following... because it's so effective. In the November issue, we look at its application and some basic patterns." Now here's the thing, for as long as I can remember fishing rivers for Trout I have always had some 'wee and not so wee nasties' ready to use. Streamers, in other words. When I moved to Aberdeenshire from Ardnamurchan in the early '90s the majority of river anglers I came across also had streamer set ups handy for those days when matching the hatch really is 3"+ of something vaguely fishy looking. For sure, plenty of folk fished just nymphs or just dries, but most were open to or actively fished streamers. Since moving to Inverness-shire over ten years ago this experience has been repeated - most carry something fugly 'just in case'. So I am super intrigued by the upcoming article as my experience has been something entirely different, but I wonder if that's because of where I fish and have fished :? Is it the case that the majority of river anglers across the UK don't use streamers as they don't need to, it isn't allowed where they fish or is it that they simply have never considered them as an option :z8 I'll be interested to find out, as hopefully the article will tell me :cool:
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Gavin Stevenson on 04/11/2020 at 08:38
I have used streamers for years now, initially it was an alternative to live spinning minnows and gudgeons when my local water stopped this practive ( i'm talking 35 years ago!). I typically use on a dropping river following floods and I have found it a very good alternative fished close to bank.
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: James Laraway on 04/11/2020 at 14:28
Ive always liked a lure.....articulated streamers i only started with a few years ago.....now i tied them for pike, trout etc
I dont think there will be anything new in FFFT.
If you want a great book Sandy N reccomended me Charlie Cravens book on tying streamers...its awesome..
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Steven Sinclair on 04/11/2020 at 19:41
They have always been used by me.
Far too many get caught on raps and Devons to deny its worth replicating with the fly although I can only do it for sorry spells as I get bored of it very quickly tbh.
My old man was known to use orange ipns back when his new school note pad would arrive after high winds blew a roof slate off do they are certainly nothing new on this side of the pond only the patterns tbh.
I think a lot of the older generation that were brought up fishing the bouncing minnow may have been trying to replicate this with lures as they'd have been referred to by most back then. Upstream just above wee pots and jigging it back is the most successful method for me so it makes sense in my head. Just a thought :z8
:z18
Steven
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Eddie Sinclair on 04/11/2020 at 21:13
Steven,
Yes I have always used the option of lures/streamers of various types since the late 60,s i remember using a pattern called the Mickey Finn many moons ago. Does anyone else remember this fly?
Eddie :z18
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Hamish Young on 04/11/2020 at 22:34
I recall the Mickey Finn, my Dad used it, but I preferred the Mrs Simpson and the Chief Nebadah (not sure on the spellingof that one, must check my books), the Mrs Simpson remains a favourite pattern on lochs but I barely fish rivers for Trout these days :z16
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Jeff Donovan on 04/11/2020 at 22:57
I recall the Mickey Finn, my Dad used it, but I preferred the Mrs Simpson and the Chief Nebadah (not sure on the spellingof that one, must check my books), the Mrs Simpson remains a favourite pattern on lochs but I barely fish rivers for Trout these days :z16
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Eddie Sinclair on 04/11/2020 at 23:19
Hamish,
Cheers for the age thing, my dad used to use a Mickey Finn😂. I guess the best result from this thread is that many trout fisherman in our locale contrary to the forthcoming article have always had a fugly pattern or two up our sleeve when chasing our spooky quarry. I have been in the Don a few times this past season with Sandy and others when a typical day would involve upstream nymphing, dries to match the hatch and modern streamers as well all in the same day to cover all bases. Similar to my last visit to Durness when lures were the best option for the conditions at hand. All options need to be explored and all options have their time and their place and if you want to be successful then you need to throw what the troots want and not be blinkered by tradition. I have no issue with what anyone else wants to fish or thinks is appropriate but it is still nice to catch fish and if they want a large mouthful so be it. I personally think that the reason that the article reports that the streamer method is not so widely reported in our waters is cyst there is still a hangover from our forefathers that this is just not cricket. I suspect that most serious wild trout fishers have a few fugly favourites that come out to play on a regular basis.
I know I do😂
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Steven Sinclair on 05/11/2020 at 00:27
But Charlie Cravens book has me using Swim coaches and drunk and disorderlies too. Lots of fun for short bursts. Some spectacular takes but not many hook ups with the big ones, the greedy little ones though never fail to amaze me
its funny how snobbish people can be - especially in fly fishing
Dry vs nymphs/wets on rivers lure vs 'more delicate methods' buzzer & bung vs proper fly fishing :X2
then you have all method vs fly
personally I am most happy catching on fly but i don't mind deploying alternative methods when needed :z16
I agree wholeheartedly. Whilst I would much rather catch on the fly. I will happily turn my hand to a spot of ironmongery and I love worming (upstream and mobile none of the sitting on my arse hogging one lie stuff) :wink
:z18
Steven.
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Hamish Young on 05/11/2020 at 18:35
Cheers for the age thing, my dad used to use a Mickey Finn😂.
Welcome Eddie, any time bud :wink Now off to find this book by Charlie Craven :z18 Mostly as I may have got access to fish for trout on some water usually only reserved for those in pursuit of silver tourists - here's hoping that works out. I didn't actually go trout fishing once in 2020 :shock
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 05/11/2020 at 19:38
You won’t regret it, but it will cost you money :z7
Sandy
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Eddie Sinclair on 05/11/2020 at 19:52
Ooh err misses might have to check that out myself
Eddie :z16
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 05/11/2020 at 20:28
Best book on flytying I’ve ever bought :z16 Huge fun too. More like building flies than tying them.
Sandy
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Eddie Sinclair on 05/11/2020 at 22:20
Sandy,
Just ordered it. Hopefully have some new fugly patterns to throw into the river when we are on the bank next season. And H, looking at the preview of the book one of the featured flies is the Mickey Finn 😂
Me and your dad were right then 🤔
Looking forward to some off season tying larks.
Eddie :z18
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Hamish Young on 06/11/2020 at 05:33
And H, looking at the preview of the book one of the featured flies is the Mickey Finn 😂
Me and your dad were right then 🤔
Which is why I am forever grateful that Dad is not remotely interested in the internet, of I would never hear the end of him always being right.... :X2 :z4
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 06/11/2020 at 11:14
Going to be a fun winter then
This has been my favourite so far, even down to the name.
Swims better than most rapalas .have had some amazing smashes at it, I’ll hook one eventually. :z7
Sandy
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Bob Mitchell on 12/11/2020 at 09:33
When I was young and agile my favourite method was using the real minnow off the fly rod. Would catch them with my landing net and killed and kept fresh in moss in a tin. As the years go by I now only fish with the fly as it is a lot easier. Days with the minnin/stick bait/ gadger are over. However I always left the river as undisturbed as possible. Nowadays I see some fishers fishing Czech nymph style wading all over the pool spoiling it for others. Fishing with the baits taught you how to stalk and hunt your quarry and in my opinion gave you a great respect for your quarry. Old Bob.
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Mike Barrio on 01/01/2021 at 17:48
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Mike Barrio on 02/01/2021 at 00:19
Gotta love the Morris Traveller :z12
Title: Re: Streamers - part of your river armoury?
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 17/02/2021 at 13:45
There is always a woolly bugger or 5 in my box, alongside some more interesting streamers.
I started "Czech Nymphing" heavy "jig hook" streamers on the Don and its been eye opening.