Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Main Discussion Area => Topic started by: Hamish Young on 12/12/2007 at 20:41
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Had an interesting 'phone call last night from a chap trying to track down the creator of the Sutherland Special (a very clever wee spinning lure in case you didn't know).
Apparently the guy who came up with the lure wrote the angling report for the Don in T&S before Jim Kerr (snr) took on the role (so well before Mike and well well before me :wink). The lure is getting hard to find, it was very popular at one time on the Ythan, and in the research done by the chap I was speaking to no-one seems to know who holds the patent/design/manufacturing rights.......
T&S were unable to help the caller so passed him on to me - I was only able to offer my own advice on how to repair the lures; which I've done myself frequently as they are 'fragile' in certain circumstances/conditions.
However I did undertake to post something on this forum to see if anyone:
a. Knows who the creator of the lure was and if he's still around :?
b. If so - how to get in touch :?
c. A reliable source for Sutherland Specials (I did pass on one or two contacts/suggestions).
I'll pass on any pearls of wisdom, all help appreciated, gleaned via this forum :z16
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I used to get them from Sloanes in Inverurie as well as Somers in town.
If my memory serves right, they were creadted by a guy somewhere up the Deveron, I could of course be way off :z6.
I do recall the little tub they came in had a wee speil on the yellow paper that was on it.
I've still got a couple about somewhere, doubt if i've got the pots though.
Great little lure though, i wonder if Frank knows anything?
Sandy
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I am sure Sloans have them.
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Tried both sloans and sommers during the summer but they say that the Sutherland has been discontinued.This is a great pity as it works very well for seatrout in the Ythan estuary.
Duncan
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Duncan - I used the SS to great effect in the Ythan estuary when I was a member of the Newburgh AC, but when they got hard to find and awkward to repair I switched to Tasmanian Devils which were even more effective :z16
Hint - especially the fluroescent yellow and silver one :wink :wink
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From what ive heard Somers still do them however as for sloans the last 2 are sittin comfortably in my tackle box :z7.
Jay
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Jay
the last 2 are sittin comfortably in my tackle box
Do you still have the little tubs? or the inserts that have the wee spiel on? might throw some light on the original question :z16
Sandy
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The Sutherland Special was made by John Sutherland at his home. He was an Engineer with the Gas Board in Aberdeen and it was not original. He copied it from a wooden plug made by a chap from Forfar. I believe John died some years ago.
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Hamish
Thanks for the advice.I wasn't aware of this lure but it certainly looks like it will do the business.
I notice a lot of the Newburgh locals now fish the fly,did you give it a try when you were a member?
Duncan
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Duncan,
Yes indeed - used floating lines with superfast sink tips. Had quite a lot of success with the fly with a best of about 5lb (oh, and a couple of salmon on and off :roll ) but the only hassle was the wee finnock -3-4oz fish - nice to see the wee fish but after the first 30 or so it gets disturbing catching them :shock
I can pass on a few patterns to you if you'd like :cool:
Hamish
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The Sutherland Special was made by John Sutherland at his home. He was an Engineer with the Gas Board in Aberdeen and it was not original. He copied it from a wooden plug made by a chap from Forfar. I believe John died some years ago.
Cheers for that :z16 I did think the maker must be getting on a bit (if he was still with us at all) I wonder who took on the making of the lure :?
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It has been remanufactured on two occasions and was always packaged in the plastic tubes. I'm afraid I don't know who by, but it was locally.
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Hamish
Think i'm ok for fly patterns but it looks like i haven't been fishing deep enough.i'll try a superfast sink tip next time i'm there.
Last i heard was that the Sutherland patent had been transferred to an English manufacturer. Don't know who though.
Duncan
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On the tub it states:
THE SUTHERLAND SPECIAL
Brit Pat. No. 793370
HOW TO MOUNT:Pass reel line through the body &knot to eye of Hook Link. No Anti-Kinks, Swivels or Weights needed. No Tail Bead is necessary.
Retail Enquiries invited Tel: 01224 ### ####
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I'm happy to pass on the number on the tub to anyone who wants it, rather than post it on the web site.
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Anyone heard of the Copper nail?
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Oh Yes! :wink
Did you get the PM, Ross? It wasn't a trick question :z16
Sandy
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The Sutherland Special was made by John Sutherland at his home. He was an Engineer with the Gas Board in Aberdeen and it was not original. He copied it from a wooden plug made by a chap from Forfar. I believe John died some years ago.
Hi sorry to say none of your information is correct, ??? My name is Graeme Sutherland, The Sutherland special was designed and invented by my uncle, Ronnie Sutherland way back about 65 years ago, (He was a young engineer At a paper mill Aberdeen and worked there all his life) and he tried over a long period of time making several different styles of body and fin set up to get the first Minnow that swam rather than spun like the normal ones... he tested them in his bath at home and persevered till he got the right action. He later patented them in the UK and USA and custom made presses and moulds etc for the same.
He is still alive and kicking although he is in his mid 80s and as far as I know still fishes now and again although he has not made any new Sutherland specials for a wee while now. It was My Dad Bill, Ronnies younger brother that was also an engineer by trade, who later worked with the gas board. The other comment you made about a guy from Forfar who made a plug etc, I have never heard that story before! The family hopes somone in the family will take up the manafacturing again, as they were a fantasic idea and design and never reached their full potential especially internationally. :z16
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Thanks for the info Graeme, always good to know the full story :z16
Let us know when production starts again :z17
H :z3
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As with 'H', cheers graeme and welcome to our forum :z16
Sandy
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Hi! Gents,
Just to refine the information regarding The Sutherland Special.
My older brother, Ronnie Sutherland, inventor/designer, sole manufacturer and patentee of The SS, was an engineer in Grandholm Mills all his life.
The design was adapted from an earlier version of a sand eel, also invented by my brother Ronnie.
He insists that he is very much alive, was never called John, nor did he live in the Deveron area.
While Ron hasn't produced an SS for some time, I know that he hasn't abandoned the idea of manufacturing them again.
His telephone number is still the same as it is on the information slips supplied with each lure, should you wish to contact him.
Hope this is helpful,
Best wishes and tight lines
Raymond Sutherland
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Hi Raymond
That's excellent feedback and news!
Welcome to the forum :z16
Best wishes
Mike