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Title: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Hamish Young on 12/12/2007 at 20:41
Had an interesting 'phone call last night from a chap trying to track down the creator of the Sutherland Special (a very clever wee spinning lure in case you didn't know).

Apparently the guy who came up with the lure wrote the angling report for the Don in T&S before Jim Kerr (snr) took on the role (so well before Mike and well well before me :wink). The lure is getting hard to find, it was very popular at one time on the Ythan, and in the research done by the chap I was speaking to no-one seems to know who holds the patent/design/manufacturing rights.......

T&S were unable to help the caller so passed him on to me - I was only able to offer my own advice on how to repair the lures; which I've done myself frequently as they are 'fragile' in certain circumstances/conditions.
However I did undertake to post something on this forum to see if anyone:

a. Knows who the creator of the lure was and if he's still around :?
b. If so - how to get in touch :?
c. A reliable source for Sutherland Specials (I did pass on one or two contacts/suggestions).

I'll pass on any pearls of wisdom, all help appreciated, gleaned via this forum  :z16
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 12/12/2007 at 22:28
I used to get them from Sloanes in Inverurie as well as Somers in town.

If my memory serves right, they were creadted by a guy somewhere up the Deveron, I could of course be way off :z6.
I do recall the little tub they came in had a wee speil on the yellow paper that was on it.
I've still got a couple about somewhere, doubt if i've got the pots though.

Great little lure though, i wonder if Frank knows anything?

Sandy
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Rob Brownfield on 13/12/2007 at 08:34
I am sure Sloans have them.
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Duncan McRae on 13/12/2007 at 16:56
Tried both sloans and sommers during the summer but they say that the Sutherland has been discontinued.This is a great pity as it works very well for seatrout in the Ythan estuary.

Duncan
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Hamish Young on 13/12/2007 at 19:07
Duncan - I used the SS to great effect in the Ythan estuary when I was a member of the Newburgh AC, but when they got hard to find and awkward to repair I switched to Tasmanian Devils which were even more effective  :z16
Hint - especially the fluroescent yellow and silver one  :wink :wink
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Jay Scott on 13/12/2007 at 21:40

From what ive heard Somers still do them however as for sloans the last 2 are sittin comfortably in my tackle box  :z7.

Jay
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 14/12/2007 at 08:58
Jay

the last 2 are sittin comfortably in my tackle box 

Do you still have the little tubs? or the inserts that have the wee spiel on? might throw some light on the original question :z16

Sandy
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Malcolm Copland on 14/12/2007 at 10:03
The Sutherland Special was made by John Sutherland at his home. He was an Engineer with the Gas Board in Aberdeen and it was not original. He copied it from a wooden plug made by a chap from Forfar. I believe John died some years ago.
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Duncan McRae on 14/12/2007 at 13:44
Hamish

Thanks for the advice.I wasn't aware of this lure but it certainly looks like it will do the business.
I notice a lot of the Newburgh locals now fish the fly,did you give it a try when you were a member?

Duncan
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Hamish Young on 14/12/2007 at 15:37
Duncan,
Yes indeed  - used floating lines with superfast sink tips. Had quite a lot of success with the fly with a best of about 5lb (oh, and a couple of salmon on and off  :roll ) but the only hassle was the wee finnock  -3-4oz fish - nice to see the wee fish but after the first 30 or so it gets disturbing catching them  :shock
I can pass on a few patterns to you if you'd like  :cool:
Hamish
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Hamish Young on 14/12/2007 at 15:39
The Sutherland Special was made by John Sutherland at his home. He was an Engineer with the Gas Board in Aberdeen and it was not original. He copied it from a wooden plug made by a chap from Forfar. I believe John died some years ago.

Cheers for that  :z16 I did think the maker must be getting on a bit (if he was still with us at all) I wonder who took on the making of the lure  :?
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Malcolm Copland on 14/12/2007 at 16:31
It has been remanufactured on two occasions and was always packaged in the plastic tubes. I'm afraid I don't know who by, but it was locally.
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Duncan McRae on 16/12/2007 at 23:42
Hamish

Think i'm ok for fly patterns but it looks like i haven't been fishing deep enough.i'll try a superfast sink tip next time i'm there.
Last i heard was that the Sutherland patent had been transferred to an English manufacturer. Don't know who though.

Duncan
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Che on 18/12/2007 at 09:16
On the tub it states:

THE SUTHERLAND SPECIAL
Brit Pat. No. 793370

HOW TO MOUNT:Pass reel line through the body &knot to eye of Hook Link. No Anti-Kinks, Swivels or Weights needed. No Tail Bead is necessary.

Retail Enquiries invited  Tel: 01224 ### ####

...

I'm happy to pass on the number on the tub to anyone who wants it, rather than post it on the web site.
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Ross on 20/12/2007 at 21:47
Anyone heard of the Copper nail?
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 21/12/2007 at 18:27
Oh Yes! :wink


Did you get the PM, Ross? It wasn't a trick question :z16

Sandy
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Hayabusa on 16/05/2010 at 22:25
The Sutherland Special was made by John Sutherland at his home. He was an Engineer with the Gas Board in Aberdeen and it was not original. He copied it from a wooden plug made by a chap from Forfar. I believe John died some years ago.

Hi sorry to say none of your information is correct,  ???  My name is Graeme Sutherland, The Sutherland special was designed and invented by my uncle, Ronnie Sutherland way back about 65 years ago, (He was a young engineer At a  paper mill Aberdeen and worked there all his life) and he tried  over a long period of time making several different styles of body and fin set up to get the first Minnow that swam rather than spun like the normal ones... he tested them in his bath at home and persevered till he got the right action. He later patented them in the UK and USA and custom made presses and moulds etc for the same. 
He is still alive and kicking although he is in his mid 80s and as far as I know still fishes now and again  although he has not made any new Sutherland specials for a wee while now. It was My Dad Bill, Ronnies younger brother that was also an engineer by trade, who later worked with the gas board. The other comment you made about a guy from Forfar  who made a plug etc, I have never heard that story before! The family hopes somone in the family will take up the manafacturing again, as they were a fantasic idea and design and never reached their full potential especially internationally. :z16
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Hamish Young on 16/05/2010 at 22:55
Thanks for the info Graeme, always good to know the full story  :z16

Let us know when production starts again  :z17

H  :z3
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 17/05/2010 at 01:48
As with 'H', cheers graeme and welcome to our forum :z16

Sandy
Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Raymond Sutherland on 17/05/2010 at 16:36
Hi! Gents,

Just to refine the information regarding The Sutherland Special.
My older brother, Ronnie Sutherland, inventor/designer, sole manufacturer and patentee of The SS, was an engineer in Grandholm Mills all his life.

The design was adapted from an earlier version of a sand eel, also invented by my brother Ronnie.
He insists that he is very much alive, was never called John, nor did he live in the Deveron area.

While Ron hasn't produced an SS for some time, I know that he hasn't abandoned the idea of manufacturing them again.

His telephone number is still the same as it is on the information slips supplied with each lure, should you wish to contact him.

Hope this is helpful,
Best wishes and tight lines

Raymond Sutherland

Title: Re: The Sutherland Special
Post by: Mike Barrio on 17/05/2010 at 16:44
Hi Raymond

That's excellent feedback and news!
Welcome to the forum :z16

Best wishes
Mike