Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Main Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rob Brownfield on 09/12/2009 at 12:43
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Anyone know what this is? It was caught off a Norfolk beach by a pike fishing buddy of mine, this morning! It took a bait intended for Whiting. We know what it is, but were wondering if any of you might like to guess :)
They have been caught off of Fraserburgh, infact, only a few days ago!!! and have been found dead on the beaches of Fife and even Aberdeen Beach. Seem to be common arounf Burghead and Lossie.
Mike should know this one ;)
(http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp108/esox_no1/SS100582.jpg)
Apparently it fought hard for a good 20 minutes on fairly heavy gear. In other parts of the world they use flies for them...another fly caught fish to add to the list for some intrepid "sole" perhaps??
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Horse-eye Jack
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Looks like some kind of Pompano.
But its a funny colour. Good fun this, cheers rob :z18
Sandy
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Looks like some kind of Pompano.
But its a funny colour. Good fun this, cheers rob :z18
Sandy
You are not a million miles away Sandy...more like a thousand ;) Looks a bit like some of the fish you might see in the fish markets out your way....
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Horse-eye Jack
Nope..sorry, no prize....
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Is it a sun fish ?
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Jim
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Nope, not a sun fish. :)
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Gilt-head bream???
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Gilt-head bream???
Nope..but geting closer ;)
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This is really annoying!! :mad
I feel I should know but .... :z8
it gotta have a jack in its name somewhere!!??? :mad :mad :mad :z8
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Hi Rob
Good fun :z16 .............. A Crevalle Jack?
Cheers
Mike
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A Florida Pompano? If the fins were longer, it might be a Palometa or a Permit :wink
Cheers
Mike
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Nope..no "Jack" in the name..lol.
Ok, lets try some clues...looking at the eye and colouration should give you a clue to what sort of water its to be found in.
The fact that I said Mike should know may have given you a clue to its distribution ;)..and no..you dont get them in Haddo!..lol.
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Hmmm ..... Kiwi stuff maybe :oops
A Warehou, some type of European Snapper?
Cheers
Mike
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A bream, the first part of the name sounds like rays or bays or something like that but can't remember. Am i close?
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is it a steel pompano?
???
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After extensive research I reckon it's a Pacific Pomfret ?
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:z6 Its a tricky one.. as far as my knowledge goes (which isn't very far) it looks like a member of the Trachinous family maybe a shortfin or plata pompano.
Jay
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Its a fish!!!!! :z18 :z18
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Rob
Seeing as you are acting so smug over this, did you know exactly what it was when you first saw it? :z7
Matt
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Rob
Seeing as you are acting so smug over this, did you know exactly what it was when you first saw it? :z7
Matt
Good question! :z4
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More important!!
Has the EU agreed a quota for these things with Norway :z8
Irvine
PS looks like a close relative of the Australasian Snapper but I only found that out from an internet search. How did it get into our coastal waters?
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Rays Bream.
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A Brama Brama? :z3
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I think Noel's got it :z16
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A Brama Brama :wink ....... http://afishblog.com/?p=73 (http://afishblog.com/?p=73)
Cheers
Mike
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I'm confused now :z4 i'll just watch :z7
Jay
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I think you got it Mike. Your's is the Atlantic version, mine's has a wee bit too far to swim from the Pacific :z4 :z4 They're very similar though http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/salmon/FishID/Brama_japonica.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dfw.state.or.us/MRP/salmon/FishID/FishIDLists.asp&usg=__jOiwl8VGPhBmHZKsMJ_hOZZnetA=&h=720&w=960&sz=77&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=vtplEP3jba5KhM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=148&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrama%2Bbrama%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBS_enGB312GB312%26um%3D1
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Rays Bream/Brama Brama same thing. Was reading about them recently. Quiet a few turning up around the coast. Also read that they migrate northwards along the east coast of the UK this time of year but that was just a posting on a forum so not sure of the accuracy.
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Bramabrama.htm
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Anyone know what they taste like :z13
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Anyone know what they taste like :z13
Aye
Robs Mate :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
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Jim
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Doh ! I walked into that one :oops :z4 :z4 :z4
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Jim
How do you know they taste like Rob's mate :shock
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Sandy
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Jim
How do you know they taste like Rob's mate :shock
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Sandy
Touche :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
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Jim
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Hooray..it is indeed a Rays Bream or Brama brama.
And for once I did know what it was straight off as I have seen them caught many years ago off of Pakefield and Corton beaches. :z16
They seem to be spread pretty far and wide, including down in NZ where they form a large by product of the deep sea fishing.
Normally they are found in deep water but at this time of year head up from around the spanish coast and end up around sweden and the likes, presumably following some form of baitfish or krill.
So, who is up for trying to get on on the fly....lol
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Oh, and I have no idea what my mate tastes like... :shock
He never cooked the fish, but fed it to the cat. Turns out he had tried to return the fish, but it kept coming to the surface and swam around on its side in circles. The waves kept pushing it back onto the beach so he though it kinder to chap it on the head rather than let it get pounded by the ocean.
A bit of research on t'internet revealed that many of those caught die pretty quickly. Maybe because they are a deep water species?
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Found this on a sea fishing forum i am a member of....http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220910 (http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220910)
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wonder if the ashvale does it with chips :z4 :z4
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Hi ,
Aye, it's a Rays Bream . They are not a deep water species but a pelagic warm water (semi - tropical )one. We used to get lots of them handed into the Marine Lab from Nov to Feb each year. They get caught in the warm water gyres coming out of the Med and become entrained in the North Atlantic Drift up the west coast and find themselves in the cold North sea . Also probably up the south east coast and into the North Sea that way too in the North Sea countercirculation.
The warm water gyre eventually loses it's battle trying to heat the North Sea and the water temperature surrounding the fish eventually drops making the fish torpid , as all fish all poikilothermic (! - :z4).
There are always quite a few washed ashore because of this each year.
Like all sea bream they are very nice to eat , providing it's fresh enough . Of interest is the fact that many of them have a large worm parasite in them which the Spanish regard as a great delicacy. MMMM . :wink
Pass on that I think .
Paul.