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Mike Barrio

Which leader materials?
« on: 06/06/2010 at 12:10 »
Hi folks :cool:

What is your main consideration when choosing leader material strength and diameter ...... Is it the size of fish that you might catch, or the size of fly that you a fishing with?

Best wishes
Mike

Hamish Young

Re: Which leader materials?
« Reply #1 on: 06/06/2010 at 21:23 »
Both  :wink :z4

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Matt Henderson

Re: Which leader materials?
« Reply #2 on: 06/06/2010 at 21:33 »
It's a funny one Mike. It's really hard for me as a novice to select these things. Salmon fishing is much easier given that it's only really breaking strain and diameter and realistically I go for no less than 10lb and go heavier and thicker for big tubes in the spring. Trout fishing there are far too many choices. I want something nice and fine for dry flies but then I'm confused about whether it should be nylon, copolymer or flurocarbon! I've only just got my head around the system of the X rating for diameters!

Mike Barrio

Re: Which leader materials?
« Reply #3 on: 06/06/2010 at 21:44 »
Good reply ...... anybody fancy telling us a bit about the differences (pros/cons/uses) between nylon, copolymer and flurocarbon to get things going please :cool:

I know that leader material choice is a bit of a personal thing and that what works for one person doesn't always work for another, but we are just looking to come up with a reasonably simple guide here :wink

Cheers
Mike

Ben Dixon

Re: Which leader materials?
« Reply #4 on: 06/06/2010 at 23:42 »
With all the different materials out there today I tend not to look at the breaking strain really, I look to use the greatest diameter that will allow still allow the fly to behave naturally.  The way I would advise to test this is to tie a fly to the intended material and then hold the leader about 2" from the eye of the fly, if the leader stands up straight (or close to) the leader is too chunky for the fly, if the leader droops straight down the leader is too light.  About the right match is when the leader curves almost in an inverted U shape.  I tend to use the X system to 0x and then work in mm after that. 

A general rule is fly size divided by 3 approximately gives the x number of the required tippet.

The X system is  simply a way of stating the diameter in thousandths of an inch, the rule for working it out is

11 - X# = diameter

so the diameter of 6x tippet is 0.005"

On the breaking strain thing, If fishing #22 flies on 7x tipet, I would not be using a 10wt rod and line, if I did, I would expect to get broken by quite small fish, fish weighing less than the breaking strain of the tippet.  Using a 3 or 4wt rod, I would be confident playing a fish heavier than the stated breaking strain of the tippet as the softer rod  would absorb the lunges of the fish.  I Match the tippet to the size of the fly and use a line weight suited to casting the required fly.

I tend to use copolymer tapered leaders.  Copolymer tends to more supple and has more stretch than fluorocarbon material, I think a supple leader turns over and presents better than a stiffer leader, I never like my leader to be stiffer than the flyline and I like the fact the copoly leader has a bit of stretch.  On the end of my tapered leader I tie a loop and then loop to loop connect a tippet of fluorocarbon material.  I have more confidence in fluorocarbon in fine diameters than I do in copolymer hence I use it for the finest part of the overall setup. 

For throwing tubes, I always use fluoro.  In spring when on brass bottle tubes or Cu tubes bigger than about 1.25" I use .38mm fluorocarbon rated at 25lb BS.  15lb Maxima is 0.37mm so simply saying Cu tube, use 15lb is not really any use these days, 15lb (0x) fluorocarbon would struggle to turn over a big tube and you would probably crack it off quite quickly when casting.  25lb Maxima is so chunky it would be overkill for the same fly so for me, diameter is the only way to go.

When nymphing on the river, I tend to use straight through fluoro as it has little stretch and should sink faster than other less dense material. 


Could go on for hours so I'll stop there!!


Cheers

Ben



 




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