hi clark,i think if you are taught to fish with indicators or bungs then it may be hard to break the habbit,only way to do this is leave them at home,the likes of mike sandy or most anglers at haddo would im sure only be to glad to show you other methods.sorry but i would not use these but i dont object to any anglers who do.like j scott at kingennie on sat he didnt have the choice it was hard going on that day,he almost won the competition this way as i failed badly,because i refused to use this method,im pretty sure that the force of the strike with this method rips the scissors from the fishes mouth, but i dont have any proof,iv noticed this on fish at most fisheries if you look closely,i also had alot of line complete with flies wrapped around me at insch fishery by another angler,lol, no harm done though.i must give them a try sometime tho see if you have to strike this hard,i love the feel of a touch on my line when the fish bite,but like mike says if your not breaking fishery rules,then enjoy whatever method you see fit to catch your fish,ENJOY.