Fishing The Fly Scotland Forum

Richard Tong

Re: Don Today
« Reply #125 on: 28/05/2009 at 13:35 »
Rob,

Sorry have cocked up and posted this twice as was timed out and panicked at having lost my reply!!

We carry one rod each and adapt the set up to suit. Having said that 95% of our fishing involves targeting what we think are 'large' fish of 2lbs +. Having said that it is relatively easy to discern this if the fishes head breaks the surface to take a dun or something sitting on top of the water. In April on our first trip there were Black Gnats coming down and they do sit on the surface albeit with a far lower profile. We suspected that the fish were on these but their heads were not showing and I recall targeting one with Paul watching and this ended up as a 24" fish. We had no idea it was this large,we could tell it was substantial as the rise form was a fair size but we both thought it was a 2lb-3lb fish tops. I have digressed from your question.

Set up is a 9' rod either 4 or 5wt depending on the wind and leaders anywhere between 12' (very windy)-16' (no wind) ending in 5X (4.9lbs) or 4X (6lbs) which will vary depending on fly size and perceived size of fish. I maintain that with a well tied knot no fish is going to break a 4.9lbs leader on snag free run (though I think that this happened to Ben so shows what I know).  On the previous trip I was broken by the largest Trout I have ever hooked,I saw it jump 4 times and reckon it was over 7lbs but it ran me round a rock and frayed the leader against a rock-nowt you can do about that!

The flies we have had most success with have been Paraduns,Paragnats,cdc and Klinkhamers.

We do a lot of walking,sitting and looking. Pauls Trout he got on Monday of 4lb 7oz I guess many people would not even have spotted. He was not sure it was even a rise but went down to close to where he saw it,waited 20 minutes before it came up again,had a few casts over it,the last of which was dumped down over the fish by a gust. He thought that that was it all over but again waited over 20 mins and it did come up again by which time he had changed fly and got it. So he was successful by good observation and sheer perseverance and patience that not many have. Okay his presentational skills are of the very highest order too! However many of these Trout allow a pretty close approach as the Don is usually of good depth and flow so you can get close(2-3 rod lengths usually) without scaring them.

If things are very quiet and we get a bit bored then Paul is first to change to weighted nymph on point + 2 spiders and prospecting down and across to cover a lot of water(not on a tight line like a salmon fisher though). The rod is held high so there is a bow of line to watch for a take and the fish does not feel a lot of resistance, resulting in more hook ups.

However most of our big Trout are taken on dries and are targetted. We rarely 'fish the water' as this usually results in smaller fish. Obviously once you have a biggie on your sites do not rush things,check knots,watch the rise pattern etc. Many fish are difficult in that they do not hold station (due to the fact that the hatches/falls are not usually that heavy) and traverse a bit so you have to be careful not to line them.Wait with the correct amount of line out,fly in hand and when he comes up try and get your fly over him after a couple of seconds. This can take time!! That massive fish that ran me round a rock took over 2 hours to hook (drag was awful too). If your fly drags a few times and you think he may have seen it it may be a good idea to change (but we have taken fish on flys that they have seen drag previously). Finally these big fish rise slowly and turn down so give them a bit of time before striking.....only experience and missed fish will hone this for you!

It is not everyones style of fishing and you have to be very single minded,but hey its what we travel 700+ miles each round trip for!!

Good luck Rob at Monymusk. Wish it was on my way home. Let us know of any success you have. Reckon that you should be on the water from 9:30pm at the moment. As dusk falls you can get really close. Make sure you have some flys tied with a fluorescent yellow post.

Oh yes we do not do any nymph fishing but that is not to say that it would not be successful but generally if there is a big fish out on station feeding (as opposed to tucked under the bank or a weedbed 'resting') and we have seen him rise we will approach with a dry fly

Hope that this helps,

Richard

Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #126 on: 28/05/2009 at 22:44 »
Richard thats a very good post :z16. Last year when you posted something similar I took note and have adapted some of yourself and Paul,s  tactics. Have had some memorable success so thanks for being so free with the information. One question, how did ye fish Kintore on a sunday and did ye have any joy?   

Richard Tong

Re: Don Today
« Reply #127 on: 28/05/2009 at 23:39 »
Noel,

We fished water that was not public :wink. Yes we caught fish. Paul had a 2lb 4oz and a couple of wee ones. I caught a 1lb 8oz fish and lost a larger one which by the feel of it would have been 2lb +.

Richard

Ben Dixon

Re: Don Today
« Reply #128 on: 29/05/2009 at 00:18 »
Top night on the river tonight, 1lb, 1lb4oz & 4lb.  pics to follow tomorrow  :grin

Awesome amount of flies about tonight and the fish were still going daft at 11:40 when I packed up

Ben

Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #129 on: 29/05/2009 at 00:38 »
Good stuff Ben, thats a great evening :z16 Olive klink with a pink post by any chance:z4  Now get that fekin camera connected :!

Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #130 on: 29/05/2009 at 00:46 »
Richard

Paragnats? Would that be a black emerger with a split tail?

Richard Tong

Don Today
« Reply #131 on: 29/05/2009 at 09:14 »
Noel,

Size 16,Black Superfine body (if you look at them the male has a very skinny body and female is plumper)/Aerowing wingpost/Grizzle or Black hackle parachuted round wingpost. No tail. Make Superfine (or black SLF for a buggier look but doe not really matter)dubbing round thorax(wingpost area) quite pronounced as both male/female are like this. There's tons of them about just now....catch one or two and have a look and you will see for yourself.

Would be interested to know how any of the Forum members fare in the evening now we have the hot weather for a few days. The Trout should acclimatise to teh new weather pattern quite quickly and should be hard at it every night if you get warm days. You guys don't know how lucky you are!! Good Hunting!!

Richard

Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #132 on: 29/05/2009 at 12:02 »
I hope to get out tonight for the last hour so hopefully will have some action to report.

Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #133 on: 29/05/2009 at 22:45 »
Well just home, didnt go very well im afraid. My vision in poor light is bad (laser eye surgery downside) so couldnt see my fly or control my drift etc. Just was not working out for me tonight :z6
Massive amount of fly life, couldnt identify half of it. Got a glimpse of a huge upright floating by with very bright green wings and a cream/yellow body, never seen one like it before, must have been 11/4 inches long ???
Few fish rising but not much considering the amount of fly.

Richard Tong

Don Today
« Reply #134 on: 30/05/2009 at 07:56 »
Noel,

Well that's changed my mind about Laser Eye Surgery then! Have toyed with the idea of having this done but.........

The upright you saw sounds like a Mayfly-maybe the low angle of the evening sun made the wings appear bright green! Are there areas of slow dubs where you fish that have silt on the bottom?

Better luck next time. It can't always be good (or bad!).

Ben where are those pics of yer big fella??

Richard

Sandy Nelson

Re: Don Today
« Reply #135 on: 30/05/2009 at 08:34 »


Ben where are those pics of yer big fella??

Richard

Do we really want to see things like this?  :shock

 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4


Ben Dixon

Re: Don Today
« Reply #136 on: 30/05/2009 at 15:09 »
Will get them up when I get home, went fishing again last night and did not get back until after midnight!!

Cheers

Ben

Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #137 on: 30/05/2009 at 15:25 »
Will get them up when I get home, went fishing again last night and did not get back until after midnight!!

Cheers

Ben
Orvis do night vision specs then? :z4

Richard
I was thinking mayfly from the body colour and size and clumsy apperance on the water only I never expected to see 1 on the don. It was just downstream from an area like you mentioned.

Ben Dixon

Re: Don Today
« Reply #138 on: 30/05/2009 at 20:52 »
Eventually, a few pictures.  No particular order.






Big one taken on Thursday





One on the woolly bugger!

Cheers

Ben


Ben Dixon

Re: Don Today
« Reply #139 on: 31/05/2009 at 00:22 »
Orvis do night vision specs then? :z4


I wish they did Noel, ones that would allow you to spot the location of rising fish after dark.  The river has not really kicked off where I have been until after 10PM this week.  Last night was tough and the fish were only really on for about 40 mins between about 10:40 & 11:20, struggled until then but managed 4 decent fish in that time nothing huge but I have marked the locations of some nice fish.  Some of which will take some serious work to catch, probably be a case of wading into position and waiting until they start to feed as they are in very calm areas of water. 

Monymusk on Monday so will post an update then

Cheers

Ben

Richard Tong

Re: Don Today
« Reply #140 on: 31/05/2009 at 01:08 »
Just back from seeing The Damned in Leeds - remember them anyone or am I showing my age? Dave Vanian and Captain Sensible still at the helm!

Ben,you need some serious help with the camera!! It's a nightmare when you are on your own trying to take a pic,especially at night :z8t .

You may find that they will tolerate you wading at that time of night even though the flow is not fast. Not a bad idea if you know where your quarry is to get into position before it all kicks off. I am sure that you have already found that you can approach far closer than you can in daylight.........

Keep up the good work,

Richard

Mike Barrio

Re: Don Today
« Reply #141 on: 31/05/2009 at 01:13 »
Hi Richard

I think Ben's photos are fine on his PC, but since he is posting them at a fair bit more than 700 pixels wide max ...... they are not displaying well on the forum :z6

Cheers
Mike

j.r fartley

Re: Don Today
« Reply #142 on: 02/06/2009 at 19:50 »
i might be wrong but im assuming this is the fish caught at monymusk! http://paulprocter.blogspot.com/  :z15

Richard Tong

Re: Don Today
« Reply #143 on: 02/06/2009 at 22:51 »
Yes it is. I never saw it as Paul called me when it was in the net but there was no reception and by the time I saw him next he had returned it otherwise we would have got better photos,

Richard

j.r fartley

Re: Don Today
« Reply #144 on: 02/06/2009 at 22:59 »
Yes it is. I never saw it as Paul called me when it was in the net but there was no reception and by the time I saw him next he had returned it otherwise we would have got better photos,

Richard
  that would be the fish of a lifetime for me  :z4 don trout are fantastic!  :z18

Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #145 on: 05/06/2009 at 09:54 »
Mixed fortunes last night. Went down about 8.30, few small yellow uprights about (yellow mays?) and black knats. Had a few small fish on drys then tried a bit of high sticking nymphs in the fast water in amongst the weed beds. Had 1 half lber which I was delighted with as nymphs normally dont work for me. A very enjoyable way to fish.
Changed back to drys about 10 and headed for a spot that I have seen some and caught a few good fish from this year.
There was a good fish rising steadily mid stream as soon as I got to my chosen spot. Must have covered it 20 times resting the spot after every few casts.
Quiet tricky in the darkness as its hard to tell if your flys are in the right spot, drag free and floating!
Exciting stuff though seeing a good fish feeding hard right in front of me.
Well eventually the presentation was acceptable and I had a take, made contact for just long enough to know this was a GOOD fish and gone :cry 
So that was the end of that one. Moved on to another favourite spot where I saw a few more decent risers but   "oncers".
Stuck at it until nearly midnight but the action seemed to have died by 11.30. 
I'll be back :z15

 
 
     

Iain Goolager

Re: Don Today
« Reply #146 on: 05/06/2009 at 12:34 »
Hi Noel, how do you get the time?  :mad :z4


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Just back from seeing The Damned in Leeds - remember them anyone or am I showing my age?

Yes! I bought their single 'Love Song' back in mnmnmnmnmnm..... 1977? yes I was a Punk I'm afraid.

Iain


Noel Kelly

Re: Don Today
« Reply #147 on: 05/06/2009 at 12:57 »
Hi Noel, how do you get the time?  :mad :z4


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New job so working a lot less hours :grin
For a lot less money :cry

Ben Dixon

Re: Don Today
« Reply #148 on: 05/06/2009 at 19:31 »
Good stuff Noel.  Not fished much this week but will be out over the weekend and going to fish Monymusk on Monday provided conditions do not deteriorate too much over the weekend.  I found the same last week, fish were coming on about 10pm until about half 11. 

Cheers

Ben

sightbob

Re: Don Today
« Reply #149 on: 06/06/2009 at 17:57 »
hi ben
i was just looking at the photo's you posted. are these typical don browns because only the first one looks like a brown the rest look very much like sea trout to me but never have fished for don browns i'm probably wrong just going by the silvery colour and the square spots.
 :z18
brian

p.s. nice fish :z16

 




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