Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Tackle Talk => Topic started by: Hamish Young on 09/05/2018 at 14:01
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So here's the thing....
I have been offered a slot in a newly formed trout fishing syndicate which will give me access to some lochs immediately to the South of Loch Ness. Not necessarily exclusive access, but a seasons access nonetheless.
Naturally, I said yes :z18
Now two of the lochs you may use an outboard but it has to be electric. This means I need to invest in the following:
1. A good quality high thrust electric outboard.
2. Two, maybe three, good quality deep cycle batteries.
3. A decent battery charger
Now the thing is I have been toying with buying one for a few years, now I have the 'motivation' it becomes a must have item.
Although I have used several types of electric outboard I am always interested in the experience and views of others when it comes to making informed purchase decisions.
Help please :z18
H :cool:
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H,
Steven bought me a Shakespeare 55 electric motor quite a few years ago which I use and abuse in Durness and other lochs where I can’t use the petrol one. I cannot give a definitive comparison against other brands but with a Halfords leisure battery I have always managed a full day of fishing and flat out against the wind motoring back up against the weather to the next drift with no issues.
Eddie
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H,
Forgot to say, I can bring the electric motor up for you to road test on a loch if your choice as long as I can also bring a rod to use while you are testing the motor. :X2
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............... a cunning plan :z4
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I have a Shakespear 44lb thrust and a much more expensive Battery it's a Halfords deep cycle I should have a 115AH but in the interests of carrying I took the 75AH , it does me and its much easier to carry down to the loch, I can usually get about 4 hours useful fishing out of it, a, nd a run home, this is pushing a 14ft Pioner, so its not the most streamlined of boats, it would probably do better on a good Keel boat,I looked into Lithium batteries, But my Bro' in law ( golfer) got one for his cart, it was nearly £400, a bit out of my pocket,some one on you tube made a lithium battery up with model packs these were fitted into a tupper wear box and were a lot lighter than the lead acid , Derek Roxborough
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I use cheapo outboards. A Shaky 34lb, a Bison 39lb and a Bison 55lb. The Shaky is the best quality and used it for 10 years. It replaced one I had smashed on rocks. The Bisons are not as smooth but have the advantage of a charge meter and a flexible shaft. The flexible shaft has withstood a few rocky bumps but the plastic prop shear pin location gets damaged and the shear pins bend. So instead of a shear pin replacement following a rocky incident it is a new prop. I have modified the prop with plastic metal to strengthen the shear pin location. - bit of a bodge though. The Bison is OK in salt water, which is why I got the 55lb thrust. The Shaky 34lb is quite efficient and I have been out for a long day using 75AH batteries and sometimes not had to resort to the spare. I always take 2 batteries if out for the day. If I were to start out from scratch I would be happy with a Shakespeare and would not recommend the Bison even at the silly cheap prices. The difference in max speed between a 39lb thrust and a 55lb is hardly noticeable but battery life seems disproportionally poor with the 55lb.
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I’ve found similar to Terry regarding the thrust of motore, my original 30lb thrust motor did the job and the 75amp battery lasted a day. I replaced with a 45lb thrust, doesn’t seem any faster in reality but uses up the 110amp battery I now have!
With regards to chargers I now use a CTEC unit after having trouble charging leisure batteries with a “normal” charger.
The Halfords batteries seem to get a good name, I know a few people using them, all giving good feed back. Don’t try a normal car battery, the current draw and frequent charging ruins them.
Finally have you thought about a Torpeedo electric outboard, not cheap but everyone I know that has one swears by the due to their performance and light weight.
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H,
Forgot to say, I can bring the electric motor up for you to road test on a loch if your choice as long as I can also bring a rod to use while you are testing the motor. :X2
Any time Eddie :z16
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Terry, Derek, Duncan & Eddie - thanks all very useful feedback.
Duncan if you're talking about these: https://www.torqeedo.com/en/products/outboards/travel I have to say I am tempted :! They've come up in my research and I really like the concept. Trouble is.... they're buggeringly expensive :! :!
H :z18
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Yes they are but look at the guarantee on the battery. I’ve been getting at best 3 years out of a battery using the Ctec, so factor that in. Also you don’t need to carry spare batteries, the guys who have them say they get a full days fishing even on a big Loch and finally there is the weight issue with leisure batteries. When my current battery etc needs replaced I’m seriously considering a Torpeedo as I could use it on the likes of Loch Lee.
But yes they are expensive!!
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You're gonna need a lot of brownie points for a Torqeedo Hamish :z13
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I'm going to need a bucket load of those for sure Mike :! Possibly a small financial windfall too :z13
But the technology appeals to me :z17
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H,
Have to agree that the torqeedo looks the business albeit it is eye wateringly expensive. However at my age the thought of not lugging heavy batteries over boggy ground to get to a boat in remote areas does seem very tempting. I am thinking of how I can rack up sufficient points between now and birthday time and if that fails Christmas. Might have a 55lb thrust Shakespeare for sale later this year if all goes to plan😂
Eddie
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If I were using the boat regularly the Torqueedo would be very appealing, even at that price. My only reservation would be - how rock proof are they? It's all very well shuffling around marinas, but a windy, rocky loch is another matter. Bash one of those up and it will cost you .
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Aye, I think if I were out more often than is likely (3-4 times a month, maybe more) the Torqeedo has huge appeal. As it's unlikely I will, it makes more sense to go for something more 'mainstream' :z16
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H,
Have to agree that the torqeedo looks the business albeit it is eye wateringly expensive. However at my age the thought of not lugging heavy batteries over boggy ground to get to a boat in remote areas does seem very tempting. I am thinking of how I can rack up sufficient points between now and birthday time and if that fails Christmas. Might have a 55lb thrust Shakespeare for sale later this year if all goes to plan😂
Eddie
Negative. I'll be wanting to African Engineer the Shakey onto my kayak if you go down that route :z4 I've been looking at the torqeedo's for quite a while now as it's a much better solution for trawling on my yak. You buying one and me using it sounds like a far better plan though :z16
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Steven.
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this may have nothing to do with O/boards , I notice that you can buy anti-explosion containers for Lithium batteries, It may just be for Model Batteries , but I noticed this, when My son was looking for batteries for his Robot fish that he has built,( a new slant on Put and take?) Derek Roxborough
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I think the charger is more important than the battery - if you get a ctek charger life will be good, I have been through endless amounts of chargers previously and eventually found this to be the best thing for leisure batteries.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CTEK-MXS-5-0-Reconditions-Motorcycle/dp/B00FC42HAA
As for a battery, 1 Lucas 110 ah will easy do you 10 hours with no probs and using the above charger will be re charged perfectly over 36 hrs.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-Lucas-LX31MF-XV31MF-Ultra-Deep-Cycle-Leisure-Battery-4-Yrs-Wrnty/202180795512?epid=716977021&hash=item2f12ea1c78:g:9OUAAOSwzgBY3R-V
Best motor would deffo be and old Min Kota as the motors never go in them, but shaky motors are ok and replacement motors are easily available and can be fitted yourself.
Neil at Angus angling has plenty shake spear motors in store.
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I've recently converted to boat fishing on the club water
It's a long trek (stumble) around the rough banks and my knees are giving out
my pal has a Bison 40 - no complaints - but
I bought a Minn Kota 34lb - superb quality perhaps not big enough for larger waters
and a Halfords 70Ah Leisure battery - reasonable weight (perhaps 2 in parallel are needed for >40lb. - or a 115Ah)
and a CTEK 'smart' charger
freedom to roam is a revalation... :!
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I have just dug out an old Minn Kota that I was given 10 years or so ago as "broken".
Quick check reveals the throttle switch has worn to the point it doesn't click going through the speeds, apart from that, works great (36lbs thrust).
Quick order of parts from the US, £40, and they'll be here next week.
Checked the serial number on it and find that it's about 30 years old. Built to last and parts still available.