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Title: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 25/05/2011 at 20:49: (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/th_DSC06036.jpg?t=1306352822)
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 25/05/2011 at 22:31: Quote from: jpm75 on 25/05/2011 at 20:49
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Nice fly for a first go especially the head, but there are heaps of problems tying these flies the main one being materials. The normal, run of the mill trout & salmon feathers will need a ridiculous amount of sorting to get even a couple of feathers suitable for Fully dressed, so be warned if you're going down this road, it get hideously expensive. :shock

As a critique, and believe me I'm a novice at these flies :oops, the JC usually reaches to the points of the Tail & topping which should meet at their tips. You will need to form the Toppings round something, a glass for instance, to give them the correct curve. To do this thoroughly wet them in water or spit - good idea to wash them first - then lay them on the outside of the glass in a straight line & let them dry. When dry they will keep their shape nicely :cool: Also try to keep a single line of black on your tippet wing not easy as i found out doing a 'Megan Boyd' which needed 2 whole heads to get 4 OK feathers for the fly (my fault I used too big a hook).

Here's one I tied for GAIA using their colours.

(http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss343/rabbitangler/FullydressedGAIA-1.jpg)

It's ok but there are a lot of faults in it, splitting JC, wing twist,I had 3 dozen Lady Amhurst feathers to sort to get the 2 feathers for each colour of the wing - see what I mean about expensive? The rest I can probably use on trout flies eventually.

Keep up the good work.

peter
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 26/05/2011 at 09:12: Peter thanks for the advice, when I looked at the fly afterwards and compared it to the picture of the original I realised the jc and tippet wing just wasn't right. There is also some indian crow missing from the tail. I'm sure I'll have some more photos posted when I get my hands on some good materials.
Cheers
John
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 26/05/2011 at 18:38: Quote from: jpm75 on 26/05/2011 at 09:12
I'm sure I'll have some more photos posted when I get my hands on some good materials.

Enjoy the hunt for them :z4 :wink
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Derek Roxborough on 26/05/2011 at 19:33: try getting hold of eric taveners" tying flies for salmon" classic flies from a classic tier ,easgach1
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 26/05/2011 at 23:00: Thanks, I'll look it up. Also looking for some of Mike Radencich's books.
Regards John.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 10/06/2011 at 13:08: Here's my second attempt. All critics welcome, as I am still relatively new to classics, so the more I know the better my flies will become.
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06103.jpg?t=1307707804)
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jimmy r on 10/06/2011 at 13:32: classic right enough,i would use that for the grilse runs on the spey any day, its got all the right colours, nice one, :grin

jimmy
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jimmy r on 10/06/2011 at 13:53: can anyone help ??? i heard of a fly called the ythan terror the hook is in the vice but have not got a pattern for it.

jr
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Matt Henderson on 10/06/2011 at 13:53: very nice!
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 10/06/2011 at 18:13: nice fly there John :grin :z13
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 10/06/2011 at 20:11: Peter, thanks for your previous advice on the position of the jc wing. Got, Tying the classic salmon fly by Mike Redencich, very good book.
Cheers John.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Barry Robertson on 10/06/2011 at 20:38: Nice flies John, must take a fair time to lash one of them together!
Do you intend on fishing with them?
:z18
Baz
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 10/06/2011 at 22:48: Yeah Baz, took me a while. Some quality time at the vice is always good though. Don't think I'll ever fish them. I just enjoy tying them.
:z18 John.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 14/06/2011 at 20:18: Just thought Id try a married wing fly. Looking forward to getting some more materials, so I can have a stab at some of the slightly more difficult patterns.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06110.jpg?t=1308078862)
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Matt Henderson on 14/06/2011 at 20:21: Wow! Very nice! :z18
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 14/06/2011 at 20:25: Really good head on that
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 14/06/2011 at 20:36: Thanks to mrs jpm75, she's finally listened to me and got me a book that I can use. Its a slight variation of Missouri Charm, one of the flies in Tying the the Classic Salmon fly by Mike Redencich.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 18/09/2011 at 16:42: I had a go at another classic. ( The Logie )
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06313.jpg?t=1316360399)
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 18/09/2011 at 16:58: :z16 :z16 :z16 :z16 :z16
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 23/09/2011 at 21:03: Just got a new vice, so I've been busy today tying buzzers and a couple of little spey flies. Hope you like :z3
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06324.jpg?t=1316807764)
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06321.jpg?t=1316807748)
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Euan Innes on 23/09/2011 at 22:35: Dude, that's sweet.
I like your style, slim and neat :z16

:z1
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 23/09/2011 at 23:07: I love tying spey flies
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 24/09/2011 at 01:45: really nice flies :z14, theres just something aout the spey style :z13
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Sandy Nelson on 29/09/2011 at 02:03: Quote from: jpm75 on 23/09/2011 at 23:07
I love tying spey flies

Me too :z16

Nice flies, love the logie too. I always find salmon flies a treat to tie
After batches of troot flies.

Looking forward to seeing what you try next. :cool:

Sandy
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 29/09/2011 at 22:21: Glad you like the flies Sandy. Hope to start something new tomorrow.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Ben Dixon on 29/09/2011 at 22:47: Been watching this thread grow. Considering it is titled "My first classic salmon fly" I am more than impressed, how long are these flies taking you to tie? I hate tying salmon flies but love a well tied classic pattern.

Keep them coming

Ben
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 30/09/2011 at 07:27: Hi Ben. It depends on the complexity of the pattern, but it usually takes me a few hours. Sometimes the feathers sit right and sometimes they don't. If you look at my first fly on page 1 of this thread, every thing is just wrong about it, jungle cock and feather wing are too short. Mrs jpm bought me a book by Mike Redencich plus I bought one myself which came with a dvd which is very helpful. So together with these books and dvd, I've been able to learn the techniques and apply them to my tying both salmon and trout flies. I think the hardest thing about these flies is the materials, some of them are quite hard to find and they are a bit expensive but I will keep tying and keep posting. I'm just happy to share them with y'all. Watch this space.
Regards John.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 07/10/2011 at 18:13: This little beauty took me all of 6-7 hours to tie, over a few days of course.. The Tippetiwitchet from the Traherne series of flies.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06325.jpg?t=1318007322)
:z16
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Irvine Ross on 07/10/2011 at 20:06: :z14 :z14 :z14 :z14
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 09/10/2011 at 22:33: This has to be the hardest fly I've ever tied. I practically went through an entire tippet collar to try and find the closest match for each pair of tippets.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Ben Dixon on 10/10/2011 at 00:01: Quote from: jpm75 on 07/10/2011 at 18:13
This little beauty took me all of 6-7 hours to tie, over a few days of course.. The Tippetiwitchet from the Traherne series of flies.

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06325.jpg?t=1318007322)
:z16

Now your just showing off :z4

Very nicely done, I can see how that took a while.

Ben
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Mike Barrio on 10/10/2011 at 00:40: Quote from: jpm75 on 23/09/2011 at 21:03
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06324.jpg?t=1316807764)

(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k530/jpm75/DSC06321.jpg?t=1316807748)

I can't help thinking these would make rather nice trout flies in size 12 and 14?

Liking this thread very much :z16

Cheers
Mike
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 10/10/2011 at 10:07: You know Mike, I might just give that a try.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 10/10/2011 at 10:11: yeah you could get away without the spey hackles in those sizes too :grin
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: jpm75 on 10/10/2011 at 11:38: I think I'd still keep the hackle but I would use long fibred hen our schlappen hackle.
Title: Re: My first classic salmon fly
Post by: Peter McCallum on 10/10/2011 at 17:40: sorry wasn't clear there :oops meant heron or spey cock hackles could be swopped for nice easily available hen :z16