Fishing The Fly Scotland
Index => Main Discussion Area => Topic started by: paavo on 06/11/2011 at 18:52
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Fly fishing the Japanese way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5XaojY7rF2M
//Harri
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Only in Japan :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
That must be some serious grand max they have on as fluro :z4
Not quite fishing tho :z6
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Not quite fishing? The most ancient style of fly fishing known to man...practiced for at least a thousand years, the father of fly fishing and the mother of pole fishing.
Its an extremely skillful style of fly fishing, demanding a huge amount of stealth and cunning as you need to be able to read the pool and present the flies to the fish on a slack drift, at the right drift. Think delicate czech or french nymphing without a reel or rings.
Have to say I have never seen this style used for salmon though...mental.
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That's pretty cool. The are fishing a fixed length of line I take it? So just hook up then hang on :z4 Mental :z16
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It is not tenkara fishing video. Japanese provides many national fishing styles with canes.
For example see “hera” – Japanese kind of carp fishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra60I6aqQ1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ra60I6aqQ1g)
Look at www.tenkaratimes.com for tenkara info.
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Ahhhh....proper fishing :)
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Saw a guy doing that in Canada. Link man in wetsuit to King Salmon by long rod and fixed line - stand well back! Mental is the only word for it! Looked fantastic!
In Canada the Japanese angler soon had a local angler ranting at him from the bank, some very confused ethics flying about. For locals those fish are a meat crop, they fish for the freezer, all that local angler could see was a man damaging a fish.
http://archive.org/details/anglerloop-rod00websrich
The Loop Rod was standard tackle back when Webster and W.C Stewart were writing (Webster is sort of replying to Stewart in The Angler and the Loop Rod.) What he used was pretty much exactly a Tenkara set-up of that time.
(I have some Tenkara gear on test btw.)
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For locals those fish are a meat crop, they fish for the freezer, all that local angler could see was a man damaging a fish.
How is the fish being damaged?
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Hi Rob
The fish has a man in a wet-suit attached to its face by a hook. The man in the wet-suit is whooping and laughing, being dragged around the river with little or no chance of landing the fish (and it seemed like he had no intention of landing fish.) That seemed to wind the Canadian up.
I saw the tenkara fisher (I seem to recall there's another name for this form of extreme fishing btw) dragged downstream through two pools before losing the salmon. Actually I saw him do that several times while his fishing partner filmed the action from the bank, catching the episode on tape seemed to be the point. It struck me I was watching something that could appear on Jackass.
(Incidentally, Webster includes Salmon fishing in The Angler and the Loop Rod, but the tackle for salmon is not a Loop Rod - he suggests a reel with 60 to 100 yards of line.)
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I seem to recall there's another name for this form of extreme fishing
Tom-ozuri or something like it, I think the rods are the same or very similar to those used for Tenkara.
If you're thinking of the 'extreme' get up when Kevin Muir Robson Green was all clad in a dry suit and fishing small Ayu intended to provoke other Ayu into a territory scrap (and get hooked on what was essentially a 'flying' hook) somewhere in darkest Japan then that's the one I'm thinking of.
If not... ah well.
Daft get up, interesting technique.
H :z3
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Ahhhh..i see what you mean then Magnus.
They are fishing for 20 and 30lb carp on the pole down south, but landing them pretty quickly by using powerful elastic through the top 3 sections of the pole...so basically tenkara with a shock absorber.
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I think the rods are the same or very similar to those used for Tenkara.
Tenkara rods differs this rod http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-gear-storefront (http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-gear-storefront). They normally have 3-4.5 m length and 50-130 grams weight, not more. Nevertheless, they have enough backbone to land big fish - look at this
http://vimeo.com/42530374# (http://vimeo.com/42530374#)
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Nice video, thanks for posting :z16 ...... I don't fancy your chances of catching a second trout from that pool :z4
Best wishes
Mike
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Nice video, thanks for posting :z16 ...... I don't fancy your chances of catching a second trout from that pool :z4
Best wishes
Mike
Only two and a half minutes to get it in (unless they edited the vid) which is probably quicker than many on rod an line take to get a 2 pound fish in.
Also Mike, could you please translate what the New Zaeland chap was saying at the beginning, I did not understand ;)
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Only two and a half minutes to get it in (unless they edited the vid) which is probably quicker than many on rod an line take to get a 2 pound fish in.
If you tried that technique in the sort of places I often fish, you would have a broken ankle long before the two and a half minutes were up. :z6
Irvine
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Excellent clip
Cameraman deserves an award for his commentary :)
Very skilled fishing, regardless of tackle that angler was landing his trout fast and confidently.
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.... regardless of tackle .....
We are paying too much attention to tackle, may be better to focus on fishing :wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7IopiaaAcw&noredirect=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7IopiaaAcw&noredirect=1)
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Your "stick" is a wand :wink
Best wishes
Mike
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Your "stick" is a wand :wink
Best wishes
Mike
Unfortunately, the usual piece of carbon fiber with some cork.
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For tenkara fishing you need only the rod, the line and the fly.
For this kind of fishing you do not need the rod, the line and the fly :z4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS5PxMY5YAo&feature=endscreen&NR=1
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:z4 Yup have that here as well, it's called poachin :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4 :z4
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Even Gierach seems to do this...
http://www.tenkarausa.com/blog/?tag=john-gierach
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I've found Jeremy's approach to presentation very interesting http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/leader-onlytechniques (http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/leader-onlytechniques)
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Masami Sakakibara, one of the best Japanese tenkara angler, opens his site in English - http://www.oni-tenkara.com/english (http://www.oni-tenkara.com/english). East meet west - I enjoy it.
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I'm not experienced in trophey tenkara fishing an find the discussion very interesting:
Jeremy Lucas wrote http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/leader-onlytechniques (http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/leader-onlytechniques)
Robert Worthing replied http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/bigfishtenkara (http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/bigfishtenkara)
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Great stuff TCZ
We've got many waters, especially in out wild uplands, where this style of fishing would be a big big hit, must get round to giving it some serious attention. (Any excuse to buy some more fishing tackle eh?)
Was really interested in the do's and dont's list detailed at the end of the second article.
To be fair these fit in perfectly as advice offered to anyone targeting big fish in Scottish waters, especially rivers. Each point is perfect, but especially like the last one; 'Smile you're fishing.' It's something i wax lyrical often especially when dealing with the 'lost' fish scenario. You've done the hard (and arguably best) bit, landing the fish is secondary. In the end a lost fish simply means you've missed out on the chance to weigh it (trophy fish only) and take it's photo.
Regards
Allan L
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Two well stated views there Mr tenkara.cz
I purchased a 12' Iwana 6:4? a couple of years back and I have used it on two occasions, for a very limited time. The first wee river that I used it on had lots of overhanging branches and I felt that I wasn't doing the method justice.
I am keen to catch a fish on it and hopefully next season I will.
Iain
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To Iain: I've infected by tenkara more than dozen of anglers personally. It's great to see people, that falling in love with this exciting fishing style in ten minutes. The necessary and sufficient conditions are well-tuned gear and the presence of fish in the river.
The discusion continues: http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/leader-onlytechniqueandtenkara2ndissue (http://www.tenkaratimes.com/tenkara-blog/leader-onlytechniqueandtenkara2ndissue)