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Hamish Young

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« Reply #775 on: 27/01/2021 at 20:24 »
Would it be the Loch Ordie Allan  :?

The common ancestor is an American pattern the 'Bi-visible' which is often credited to a chap called Hewitt, but I suspect it was probably well known amongst the local anglers on his local North American streams before gracing the pages of one his books.

The Loch Ordie, and variants of it, remain some of my favourite 'bob' flies and dapping flies  :z16

H

Allan Liddle

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« Reply #776 on: 28/01/2021 at 23:14 »
Correct Mr H  :z16

Hamish Young

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« Reply #777 on: 30/01/2021 at 13:39 »
In recent years, and historically, the Awe system has consistently produced more record wild Brown Trout than any other catchment in the UK.
Todays questions are - which other river catchment is the second most successful in producing record wild Brown Trout and which lochs in the system produced those fish :?
Bonus question - what marks one of the fish from the 'mystery' system apart from those caught from the Awe :?
H

Terry Coging

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« Reply #778 on: 31/01/2021 at 15:52 »
This is a very interesting question Hamish and so far I can't find the answer.  By 'largest' I assume that we are talking about Ferox? My limited research mentions many Lochs but nothing too specific. Lough Melvin is an interesting one because I have fished it many times and caught a lot of soneghan and gillaroo but not a ferox, which it is famous for.  A German visitor gave our group a ferox steak a couple of years ago. I was from a fish of about 12lb. I was not happy that it had been killed and didn't eat my share.
I would hazard a guess that the other Loch is Ness?
Hope to fish L Awe for the first time ever in June this year when we stay in Oban. I won't be after the ferox though but I will be wafting some of your creations about :wink

Fred Hay

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« Reply #779 on: 01/02/2021 at 06:07 »
You've got me stumped too -  I would have thought that the Garry  system used to produce many large trout after they were dammed for hydro and I think the largest loch on the system is the Quoich which did hold the record for the largest trout but without resorting to Google I can't remember if it was a brown or ferox.  Somewhere circa 24lb !!

Hamish Young

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« Reply #780 on: 01/02/2021 at 18:21 »
To save this running too long..... both Fred and Terry have elements of the answer but not the full answer to each part.
It's important to note that UK records make no distinction between Brown Trout and Ferox

Part 1 - The river system is the Ness, but specifically one of its tributaries the Garry.
Part 2 - The lochs are Garry and Quoich
Part 3 - The 1965 record fish from Loch Garry at 18lb 2 oz was - apparently - the last UK record wild Brown Trout caught on fly  :z16

For those who use Facebook it is worth following the chaps at the Ness District Salmon Fishery Board, Terry mentioned Loch Ness and the Fishery Board staff in conjunction with folk who I can't recall right now, have undertaken some tagging of Ferox in Loch Ness.  Super interesting, if you're a geek like me  :wink

H

Allan Liddle

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« Reply #781 on: 06/02/2021 at 09:34 »
Thanks Hamish, i was going to say Ness but wasn't sure on the tributaries.
Our wild brown trout are certainly interesting to say the least and so much written about them carried through from early years is simply wrong.
We think we know them but in truth we do but no where near fully enough.

Hamish Young

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« Reply #782 on: 06/02/2021 at 21:14 »
We think we know them but in truth we do but no where near fully enough.
That's the interesting thing for me Allan, there's so much been written over the years about Brown Trout but I suspect a very significant proportion of it is supposition based on myth, not fact.
That's what makes some of the WTT projects and other initiatives (such as the Ness Ferox tracking scheme) vital when it comes to improving our understanding of these remarkable and resilient creatures.

Time for another question :?
I need some thinking juice, which tonight is sponsored by the rather excellent Glenlivet Caribbean Reserve  :wink

Hamish Young

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« Reply #783 on: 07/02/2021 at 12:13 »
From the description, what is the name of the Scottish Loch and what is its unique environment claim to fame :?

With an average depth of less than 11' this loch is no Loch Ness, yet is also the deepest loch where it is located. It has a unique environment which has been recognised in being designated both a Special Area of Conservation and a Site of Special Scientific Interest. Arguably one of the most bio-diverse environments of its type in Scotland, owing to the unique environment, it is rich in feeding yet the loch it is linked to is more famous as a trout fishing destination.

H

Terry Coging

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« Reply #784 on: 08/02/2021 at 10:43 »
Another intriguing question H.  After much thought and looking at places I am familiar with, realised that although I have fished about 40 lochs over the years I haven't scratched the surface! The question prompted me to look at areas not looked at before such as the Rannock Moor region heading down to Loch Ba. How could I have possibly missed out this region?
Maybe, if I live to 150 I'll learn something  :z8

Graham Ritchie

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« Reply #785 on: 08/02/2021 at 11:24 »
I think this may be the Loch of Stenness, it is brackish, so you can catch both freshwater and seawater species of fish.

Eddie Sinclair

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« Reply #786 on: 08/02/2021 at 12:41 »
Hamish,

Is it Watten?

Eddie

Terry Coging

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« Reply #787 on: 08/02/2021 at 13:55 »
I overlooked Watton because it did not fit the description well, however Lock Scarmclate may? Fished Watton of course but didn't realise that Scarmclate was open to fishing?

Hamish Young

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« Reply #788 on: 08/02/2021 at 17:00 »
The correct answer is indeed the Loch of Stenness :z16 To be fair, I made that one a wee bit trickier than the last one, so well done to those who worked it out or knew the answer immediately.
Graham got in there first and importantly mentioned that Stenness is brackish, which was bang on. Its claim to 'fame' is that it's classed as the largest brackish lagoon in the UK.
I only fished it once when I wasn't even in my teens, I have a hankering to go back too as work has taken me past there and Harray a couple of times in the past three years.
H

Jeff Donovan

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« Reply #789 on: 10/02/2021 at 00:13 »
Here's another (excuse me jumping in please), a West of Scotland fly, a proper gem, created in Renfrewshire, the village of Kilmacolm. Used firstly on the river Gryfe then further afield on lochs etc. So, the name of this fly, the originator & his occupation?

Hamish Young

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« Reply #790 on: 11/02/2021 at 14:45 »
Would it be a Dave Downie creation :? I seem to recall he was based in Renfrewshire.

Jeff Donovan

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« Reply #791 on: 11/02/2021 at 16:16 »
Would it be a Dave Downie creation :? I seem to recall he was based in Renfrewshire.

Sorry, it isn't one of Dave Downie's Hamish.
A clue; The first part of the name is the most populated city in Texas, the second part is in the original post.

Jeff Donovan

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« Reply #792 on: 11/02/2021 at 22:54 »
Houston Gem?

https://flyfishing-and-flytying.co.uk/blog/view/houston_..._problem_solved/

Spot on, the originator was a Mr James Houston & his occupation was postman.

Eddie Sinclair

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« Reply #793 on: 12/02/2021 at 11:20 »
The Ali McCoist?

Hamish Young

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« Reply #794 on: 14/02/2021 at 17:25 »
From the description, which loch is this :?

Even with the advent of the North Coast 500, and arguably being one of the lochs of Scotland set in the most dramatic scenery, this remote Highland lochs is seldom disturbed by anyone other than anglers and the occasional deer (ok, maybe sheep too :!) having a drink. Like many lochs across the country, in its day it was a truly prodigious Sea Trout fishery, but today is as well known as a Salmon fishery - but it is still one of the better Sea Trout waters we have left.
The short river that runs northwards from loch to the sea is now as famous as its source, incidentally both river and loch hold a good head of decent Brown Trout too.
The loch is a lot easier to get fishing on than the river, yet both are more accessible to anglers (with the necessary means) now than at any point in the past 100 years.
I have never fished it, but did have occasion to visit nearby at a spot overlooking the loch as part of a planning meeting regarding a multi-agency exercise in the location. In short,  it was the second worst midgie experience after the midgie and clegg hell of Loch Ailsh, which this loch is nowhere near.




Eddie Sinclair

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« Reply #795 on: 14/02/2021 at 21:23 »
H,

Is it loch Dionard?

Eddie

Graham Ritchie

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« Reply #796 on: 14/02/2021 at 22:15 »
Loch Hope.

Terry Coging

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« Reply #797 on: 15/02/2021 at 16:26 »
Loch Assynt?

James Laraway

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« Reply #798 on: 15/02/2021 at 17:01 »
Loch More ?

Hamish Young

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« Reply #799 on: 15/02/2021 at 17:06 »
Loch Hope.
Is the correct answer  :z16

 




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